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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
To be honest, I don't understand why anyone has a problem with the Cherry MX Blues for gaming. When I go to repeatedly press a key, it doesn't bother me one bit. I just don't truly understand from personal experience why the Cherry MX Blues are "bad" for gaming.

However, I am not saying that they're good for gaming. But remember, while a minority, many people still have a very strong preference for the Cherry MX Blues for gaming.
It's not repeatedly pressing a key, it's just when you have to press the key twice fairly quickly.

I would hazard a guess that anyone who doesn't mind the blues for gaming is not a "serious" gamer, or don't play that many games that require real time movement like a FPS. Since you have to lift your finger all the way up, even if you get used to it, it will make you slower, and therefore worse. A rubber dome keyboard, while mushy, is a lot better for gaming.

For your sake though, it is possible to prefer an inferior product over the superior one.

BTW to clear this up, Twocables, are you saying you personally like the blues for gaming? What kind of games do you play? If it's anything like a FPS or Racing game, I would strongly suggest trying out another switch type so you can see the difference first hand, although even a rubber dome should show you.
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I definitely do a lot of research before buying, watching videos and etc. The problem is, even then I can't get a feel for things. Like before I order my case, I looked up a ton of reviews/videos, and I STILL couldn't believe how big it was. And for that matter, all the complaints I read about were nonexistent for me. The problem is, it works both ways. I've ordered things in the past that I ended up being unhappy with. I'm sure everyone does at some point.

I know you've stated you felt the same as I did in a lot of these situations, and I believe you. The difference isn't just the fact that I need to try to be quieter, though. Being different people, there's a large chance for a difference in preference. It's really hard to tell with things (especially with peripherals such as monitors) over the internet. I'm glad you were happy with your purchase, but I'm a bit more skeptical. (especially with my limited supply of cash)
I was skeptical too. But like I said, watching all those YouTube videos was tremendously helpful to me (much more helpful than one might think). I just kept watching one video after another and before I knew it, I was getting a fairly decent idea of how each switch type and keyboard was different from each other. I then kept coming back to the Original Post of this thread to review certain things, and then I'd go back to the videos and watch them again.

Some of the videos even go into pretty fine detail to literally show the difference in feel between switches by zooming in and slowly pressing a key a few times in a row, and then slowly pressing a key over and over on a different board with different switches.

But, I'm not a student, so I had the time to spend on this kind of research. I literally obsessed over it and spent most of my free time trying to figure out which switch type I would like the most.

But of course, it's not like I think that everyone has to go through such extremes to select a mechanical keyboard. However, it did give me the impression that you get what you put into it.

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It's not repeatedly pressing a key, it's just when you have to press the key twice fairly quickly.

I would hazard a guess that anyone who doesn't mind the blues for gaming is not a "serious" gamer, or don't play that many games that require real time movement like a FPS. Since you have to lift your finger all the way up, even if you get used to it, it will make you slower, and therefore worse. A rubber dome keyboard, while mushy, is a lot better for gaming.

For your sake though, it is possible to prefer an inferior product over the superior one.

BTW to clear this up, Twocables, are you saying you personally like the blues for gaming? What kind of games do you play? If it's anything like a FPS or Racing game, I would strongly suggest trying out another switch type so you can see the difference first hand, although even a rubber dome should show you.
No. That's why I didn't include myself in that statement (although, I do realize that some people include their selves in such a statement). Besides, I can't say that I have a preference because the Tactile Click is the only mechanical keyboard that I have ever owned. Plus, I am not a serious gamer.

However, I just opened up Notepad and double-tapped several dozen times as quickly as I possibly could: I always got 2 characters - every single time. So, I still don't know how to explain why the Cherry MX Blues are less practical for gaming.

I have Crysis, Mirror's Edge, Ghostbusters, Quake 4, TRON 2.0, and Unreal II. What should I do in order to show myself why the Cherry MX Blues aren't good for gaming? I mean, what maneuvers should I do?
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Anything where you need to adjust direction back and forth quickly. I suggest a racing demo I guess. I don't play racing games personally, but that sounds like what most people would be doing quick movements in. You can do quick movements in FPS games, but then again some people just run straight instead of strafing around and such.
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Anything where you need to adjust direction back and forth quickly. I suggest a racing demo I guess. I don't play racing games personally, but that sounds like what most people would be doing quick movements in. You can do quick movements in FPS games, but then again some people just run straight instead of strafing around and such.
Oh, so is "double-tapping" alternating 2 keys very, very, very quickly?
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I believe Christine is referring to the movement you do in the newer unreal tournaments, where you have to say double-tap the spacebar quickly, and it will jump twice. I'm just trying to give a broader example of how it affects more games. The double tap is a good example though, since if you take your finger all the way up, the second tap will usually be too slow and it won't work.
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I believe Christine is referring to the movement you do in the newer unreal tournaments, where you have to say double-tap the spacebar quickly, and it will jump twice. I'm just trying to give a broader example of how it affects more games. The double tap is a good example though, since if you take your finger all the way up, the second tap will usually be too slow and it won't work.
Dammit. I still don't understand. I'm sorry.

Maybe I should just play some Crysis. I mean, that's the one thing I haven't done yet since I bought this keyboard. I've played Mirror's Edge too, but I didn't have a single problem - I actually played it better than I did on the G15 and Lycosa thanks to this keyboard.

As for the other games I mentioned: I haven't played them on this keyboard yet either.
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post #3607 of 14567
Here let me draw a poor graph lol

I believe this is whats going on:

Most keys once you lift it above the actuation point (where it registers the key), and then press it back down to the actuation point, it will register another keystroke. On the blues, you have to lift the key up a little higher to make it register a keystroke again. This makes far less mistakes in typing, since it's unlikely you will hit a key twice on accident, but it is not a good feature for gaming.
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Here let me draw a poor graph lol

I believe this is whats going on:

Most keys once you lift it above the actuation point (where it registers the key), and then press it back down to the actuation point, it will register another keystroke. On the blues, you have to lift the key up a little higher to make it register a keystroke again. This makes far less mistakes in typing, since it's unlikely you will hit a key twice on accident, but it is not a good feature for gaming.
Thank you. I think I'm getting a better understanding now. However, I'm also beginning to think that this is some very serious nit-picking and I'm starting to see why some people still prefer the blues for gaming even though all of what you guys are saying is true.
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What crazy is trying to say is the reset point is noticeably higher than the actuation point.

Where in a MX black, both the actuation point and reset point are pretty much on top of each other. So you could feather the key with just a slight stutter of your finger at the actuation point, and register multiple times.

Where as with the Blue switches, you must release the key all the way up to the high reset point, before you can proceed to actuating the key again.
    
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What crazy is trying to say is the reset point is noticeably higher than the actuation point.
That's not something that I'm having trouble understanding. I mean, this has been stated exactly like you stated it, and it has been stated dozens of times by everyone.
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Where in a MX black, both the actuation point and reset point are pretty much on top of each other. So you could feather the key with just a slight stutter of your finger at the actuation point, and register multiple times.
I am doing this with the Tactile Click in Notepad right now.
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Where as with the Blue switches, you must release the key all the way up to the high reset point, before you can proceed to actuating the key again.
What I'm doing is keeping the key just beneath the tactile bump and I can control it all day.
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