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hey Phaedrus2129 when are you going to get that Cherry G80-8200LPDUS and are you going to review it for us
It's in the mail, should be here some time next week.
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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post
But you paid just $150 per LCD. That's still acceptable. But there are SO many people buying TN panels for like, $300-$500 each, and it's ridiculous. I don't care how fast their GTG response time is, it still looks like crap and ghosts and blurs with motion
Oh definitely.

I basically look at it like this:
$100-175 = TN price
$150-$250 = S-PVA Price
$200+ = Grab an IPS panel of some type.
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post #3763 of 14551
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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post
Incandescent light bulbs also flicker at 50Hz or 60Hz (whatever the frequency of the electricity is).

LCDs cause more eyestrain than CRTs for me because of the stupid blurring/ghosting. With most desktop use it's fine because the only thing really blurring is the mouse. But it's hard for me to play a game on one for too long.

There's also the phosphor decay to think about when talking about CRTs. That is, how long it takes them to release all their energy and turn off again after being hit by the gun. Many CRTs have been made - most of them TVs - where the phosphor decay matches up perfectly with the refresh rate, so that each phosphor only turns black the instant before it's hit again. This reduces eye strain a lot.

Another cause of CRT eye strain is improper convergence and focus. The blurry image you get when either of these are out of whack makes your brain keep trying to focus your eyes to make the image clearer. This effect gets more pronounced depending on how much of your visible area the screen is taking up (such as with a large screen, or if you're sitting really close to it). If the picture on your screen isn't perfectly sharp then you need to adjust these. If adjusting them still doesn't fix it, then it mostly likely means that you're running at a resolution greater than what the shadow mask or aperture grille can handle (resolution > number of subpixel triplets) - which is very common on CRTs.

Also, just running at a higher refresh rate isn't always a good idea. Each CRT has it's own optimal refresh rate at each resolution, which is based on the accuracy of it's electronics. Take the GDM-FW900 for example: at 1920x1200, it can go up to 98Hz. However, at 98Hz the picture isn't as good as when it's at 85Hz. So this is the refresh rate you should be running it at.
Interesting information. I never really notice ghosting. That's just me, though.

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Oh definitely.

I basically look at it like this:
$100-175 = TN price
$150-$250 = S-PVA Price
$200+ = Grab an IPS panel of some type.
S-PVA is more expensive than that. Or at least I thought it (usually) is. I'm probably wrong.
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post #3764 of 14551
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S-PVA is more expensive than that. Or at least I thought it (usually) is. I'm probably wrong.
You just need to shop around.

Newegg's Selection on monitors is terrible as they don't carry ANY dell Models, and only a select number of HP Models.

And those guys have some of the largest selection of monitors. Not always the best, but the prices on them are not bad. Especially when iether runs a deal.
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Somehow, having 3KRO = having full NKRO. Over 9000 Logitech owners feel like gods.
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post #3766 of 14551
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You just need to shop around.

Newegg's Selection on monitors is terrible as they don't carry ANY dell Models, and only a select number of HP Models.

And those guys have some of the largest selection of monitors. Not always the best, but the prices on them are not bad. Especially when iether runs a deal.
Yeah, I don't even shop for monitors on Newegg. I bought my ZR22W from Cost Central cause they had it for $275 shipped.

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Somehow, having 3KRO = having full NKRO. Over 9000 Logitech owners feel like gods.
Haha, I was thinking the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Oh definitely.

I basically look at it like this:
$100-175 = TN price
$150-$250 = S-PVA Price
$200+ = Grab an IPS panel of some type.
That's a good way to put it. For me personally though, it's either go all out with an IPS or get the cheapest possible.

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Originally Posted by Maytan View Post
Interesting information. I never really notice ghosting. That's just me, though.
I've been so accustomed to CRTs and plasma TVs that I notice ghosting on even the fastest LCDs.

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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
You just need to shop around.

Newegg's Selection on monitors is terrible as they don't carry ANY dell Models, and only a select number of HP Models.

And those guys have some of the largest selection of monitors. Not always the best, but the prices on them are not bad. Especially when iether runs a deal.
Yeah don't just use newegg. Shop through the manufacturer's websites directly. Dell, for example, now has IPS panels all the way down to 21" @ $200 (it's only an e-IPS, but still much better than TN).
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post #3768 of 14551
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I've been so accustomed to CRTs and plasma TVs that I notice ghosting on even the fastest LCDs.
So it's a trained eye sort of thing? Hehe. I haven't used CRTs extensively in years, that's probably why I don't notice ghosting.

EDIT: YESSSSSSS! I made $40 today. Combined with the $80 I made last week, I think I'm going to buy a Das Silent.
Edited by Maytan - 5/14/10 at 9:30am
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I really have no idea what people are talking about when they say ghosting... But I've been using TN panels for about five years, so...

And my only CRT is a ****ty Samton 15" POS that was cheap even back in the day.
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That's a good way to put it. For me personally though, it's either go all out with an IPS or get the cheapest possible.
It's the same for me. I will only get IPS Panels.

Though, I just use that general rule for when I'm doing builds for other people or suggesting parts.

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Yeah don't just use newegg. Shop through the manufacturer's websites directly. Dell, for example, now has IPS panels all the way down to 21" @ $200 (it's only an e-IPS, but still much better than TN).
Yeah, e-IPS is really turning things around. It's cheap, easy to make, and not stuck to one company (like PVA tech)
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