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Originally Posted by drjoey1500 View Post
I know I'm late to reply to this, but it was only 14hrs ago. Just wanted to mention that there are black at101w's out there that pop up on ebay every once in a while.
The quality of the keys on the black versions suck. The letters wear really easily.

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I have to say I'm a huge anti-fan of 'tactile feedback' on my Das Professional S Silent.

The switch doesn't necessarily have to de-actuate in order to type again, yet the mind thinks it does. So whenever I type a word with a double letter (like, say, 'letter') it's slower than it would be if I just had a normal keyboard. Or if I don't de-actuate all the way, I'll think I missed it so I'll tap again.

Blame me if you will, but it's a poor switch as far as I'm concerned. If there is a click, it needs to both actuate and de-actuate on the click. That's the point of tactile feedback, and yet it doesn't do that.

Haven't decided if I'm keeping it yet. It's nice in some ways, but it's also not nice in others. If I try a mechanical after this it would need to be a linear variant...but honestly I doubt it's worth the money as a wireless keyboard seems a more beneficial/appropriate peripheral in a home office setting.
The Blues in particular have this problem quite bad. It makes them less than ideal for gaming purposes.
Edited by ch_123 - 6/20/10 at 5:12am
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i just ordered the abs m1 on ebay for 41shipped i figure i go for something newer for gaming for the n-key rollover sense i herd some m1s can have up too 6 key presses.

hopefully the m1 im getting has at least 4


but ya i still might pick up a dell at101w too sense they are cheep i was looking at the black ones but sense you said ch_123 they very prone to wear im not too sure about the black one than..

but i really don't care for colors much sense im using a gateway 2000 anykey and the color isint bothering me at all and i am enjoying this keyboard feels pretty good and has nice sound and nice how it does macros and stuff just like the g15 and its a 1994 lol

now i just wish i started getting in these type of keyboards couple months ago before i bought the saitek cyborg keyboard which cost me 80$.. its a nice keyboard and all but the keys just don't feel the same as when they was new...
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Originally Posted by technodanvan View Post
I have to say I'm a huge anti-fan of 'tactile feedback' on my Das Professional S Silent.

The switch doesn't necessarily have to de-actuate in order to type again, yet the mind thinks it does. So whenever I type a word with a double letter (like, say, 'letter') it's slower than it would be if I just had a normal keyboard. Or if I don't de-actuate all the way, I'll think I missed it so I'll tap again.

Blame me if you will, but it's a poor switch as far as I'm concerned. If there is a click, it needs to both actuate and de-actuate on the click. That's the point of tactile feedback, and yet it doesn't do that.

Haven't decided if I'm keeping it yet. It's nice in some ways, but it's also not nice in others. If I try a mechanical after this it would need to be a linear variant...but honestly I doubt it's worth the money as a wireless keyboard seems a more beneficial/appropriate peripheral in a home office setting.
only keyboards that click actuate and have tactile feedback at the same time are buckling springs, everything else is slightly off.
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Not sure why you blame the switch. Many people use the Browns without problems. Again, those switches don't fit you're preferences.
Not sure what else to blame? Just because a bunch of other people get used to the wrongness of the switch doesn't make it 'right'.

Because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, of course.

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It does have to deactuate. [De]actuation = when electrical contact is made or broken, not when you feel the tactile bumps. If you don't break electrical contact before pressing down again it's like you never let go in the first place.

But I know what you mean
Poor choice of word on my part, though I still feel it applies to the click itself, as that portion has to 'actuate' and 'deactuate' as well. It doesn't necessarily apply to only the electrical portion. But I've gotcha man...

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The Blues in particular have this problem quite bad. It makes them less than ideal for gaming purposes.
Yeah I would imagine so. Never used the blues, however since it's the same company and still has the click (only apparently louder/needs more force) I would assume it would be at least as bad.

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Originally Posted by kyle-reece View Post
only keyboards that click actuate and have tactile feedback at the same time are buckling springs, everything else is slightly off.
Might have to look into it.

Still haven't decided what to do. Just got the board about two weeks ago so I've got time to return it, or of course sell it here at a small loss. It's not unbearable, but at times it becomes pretty annoying.

It's fine for gaming though. No better or worse than any keyboard I've used, I guess. I guess I might have reserved my discriminatory taste for music and don't really have a whole lot to share for gaming keyboards.
Edited by technodanvan - 6/20/10 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by technodanvan View Post
Not sure what else to blame? Just because a bunch of other people get used to the wrongness of the switch doesn't make it 'right'.

Because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, of course.



Poor choice of word on my part, though I still feel it applies to the click itself, as that portion has to 'actuate' and 'deactuate' as well. It doesn't necessarily apply to only the electrical portion. But I've gotcha man...



Yeah I would imagine so. Never used the blues, however since it's the same company and still has the click (only apparently louder/needs more force) I would assume it would be at least as bad.



Might have to look into it.

Still haven't decided what to do. Just got the board about two weeks ago so I've got time to return it, or of course sell it here at a small loss. It's not unbearable, but at times it becomes pretty annoying.

It's fine for gaming though. No better or worse than any keyboard I've used, I guess. I guess I might have reserved my discriminatory taste for music and don't really have a whole lot to share for gaming keyboards.
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Originally Posted by technodanvan View Post
Not sure what else to blame? Just because a bunch of other people get used to the wrongness of the switch doesn't make it 'right'.

Because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, of course.



Poor choice of word on my part, though I still feel it applies to the click itself, as that portion has to 'actuate' and 'deactuate' as well. It doesn't necessarily apply to only the electrical portion. But I've gotcha man...



Yeah I would imagine so. Never used the blues, however since it's the same company and still has the click (only apparently louder/needs more force) I would assume it would be at least as bad.



Might have to look into it.

Still haven't decided what to do. Just got the board about two weeks ago so I've got time to return it, or of course sell it here at a small loss. It's not unbearable, but at times it becomes pretty annoying.

It's fine for gaming though. No better or worse than any keyboard I've used, I guess. I guess I might have reserved my discriminatory taste for music and don't really have a whole lot to share for gaming keyboards.
I would return it asap, and get a board with linear switches. I don't see any reason to try to get used to a switch you don't like.

Just do yourself a favor and try some linear switches before you give up on mechanicals.
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^^^

I think this is what I'll do. If I was willing to drop the money for this keyboard I should be willing to try it once more for a Filco or something.

I still doubt superiority of the mechanicals overall, however it isn't that much money to at least try it out.

I do like the appearance of my Das, at least.
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Thermaltake is going to be releasing two mechanical keyboards soon with Cherry Blacks. They were shown off at Computex(bottom two). Take a close look at the first few keyboards shown, too, for the laughs.
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I'm thinking about getting a Filco otaku with cherry browns.

I do word processing and mild gaming. Good choice? Will I like the blank keys? Any other boards I should look at?
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i just ordered the abs m1 on ebay for 41shipped i figure i go for something newer for gaming for the n-key rollover sense i herd some m1s can have up too 6 key presses.

hopefully the m1 im getting has at least 4
USB spec limits the key rollover to 6 simultaneous key presses plus 4 modifiers (like Shift, Alt, Ctrl, etc.). So, that's what you're getting.

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but ya i still might pick up a dell at101w too sense they are cheep i was looking at the black ones but sense you said ch_123 they very prone to wear im not too sure about the black one than..

but i really don't care for colors much sense im using a gateway 2000 anykey and the color isint bothering me at all and i am enjoying this keyboard feels pretty good and has nice sound and nice how it does macros and stuff just like the g15 and its a 1994 lol

now i just wish i started getting in these type of keyboards couple months ago before i bought the saitek cyborg keyboard which cost me 80$.. its a nice keyboard and all but the keys just don't feel the same as when they was new...
Everything happens for a reason.


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Originally Posted by technodanvan View Post
Yeah I would imagine so. Never used the blues, however since it's the same company and still has the click (only apparently louder/needs more force) I would assume it would be at least as bad.
But the Cherry MX Browns don't make a click sound; only the Cherry MX Blue switch does.



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Originally Posted by technodanvan View Post
Might have to look into it.

Still haven't decided what to do. Just got the board about two weeks ago so I've got time to return it, or of course sell it here at a small loss. It's not unbearable, but at times it becomes pretty annoying.

It's fine for gaming though. No better or worse than any keyboard I've used, I guess. I guess I might have reserved my discriminatory taste for music and don't really have a whole lot to share for gaming keyboards.
Then what you need is a keyboard with completely linear switches, like the Cherry MX Blacks. You see, you merely discovered that you prefer linear switches. Therefore, celebrate and be happy about your discovery.


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I'm thinking about getting a Filco otaku with cherry browns.

I do word processing and mild gaming. Good choice? Will I like the blank keys? Any other boards I should look at?
Since you do word processing but only "mild gaming", I recommend that you also consider keyboards with the Cherry MX Blues (consider both the Cherry MX Blues and Browns).

For future reference: all Filco Majestouch boards with the Cherry MX Browns are "Tactile Touch", while the boards with the Cherry MX Blues are "Tactile Click".

But regarding whether or not you'll like blank keys: this is a question that only you know the answer to.
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