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I'm not trolling. I just feel that the benefits of having a mechanical keyboard are being overstated somewhat, and that any perceived benefits are outweighed by the fact that mechanical keyboards cost twice as much for fewer features. I don't have a problem with quality on my G15, it feels solidly constructed, it hasn't broken from lugging it around to LAN parties and being beaten on a little bit by my friends, the electronics do what they need to, and it's got useful features. Just sayin' that I don't think that mechanical keyboards are cost effective. I came across as kind of a troll because I was in a bad mood at the time, from some stuff that's been happening lately, sorry about being so... overzealous. I hope there's no hard feelings, I didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion.
Maybe it's just the fact that you started you're first rant with "I'm not just trollin" that tipped me off.

If you feel the G15 is a good buy, then be happy with you're purchase. Mechanical keyboards are not for everyone and their mum (but they are for me and my mum, lol. She has an M1)
    
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I understand the reason you came onto the thread. You probably feel all the rubber dome, logitech, and razer bashing is unfair/unwarranted. The feel of your G15 is not that much different than mech KBs in your opinion and that your KB comes with a lot of features you find practical/useful. So here's a few points I wanted to make to some of your posts:

1. What's the point of coming onto the thread in the first place? There is plenty of G15 love that goes on in the peripherals section anyways. I mean, this is a thread dedicated to mech KBs. does it somehow surprise you that it's filled with people who are passionate and devoted to them. I'm also sure that 99% of the people who are current owners used to own a rubber dome previously. I've personally used both the G15 and Razer ( my Lycosa sits in my closet on the bottom of a pile of clothes ), the majority of the comments on the "feel" and dislike for it comes from first hand use, not just unjustified bashing.

2. You continually bash the price point of mech KBs. Calling the price "obscene" and not warranted for the lack of features. The main reason for getting a keyboard is to use as an input device correct? Isn't the feel of the key switches the most important point than? I always hear people constantly pointing out the lack of features, but isn't the most important feature the feel of the keys + roll over capabilities? ( What actually impacts the input of the input device ). TwoCables has pointed out the price of the switches already, if you do the math, they alone can come out on average to be 50-60 dollars for the COST of the switches. So other than the features that you find attractive ( extra macro keys, LEDs, LCD ), most of the 10 dollar rubber domes have the same exact feel as the higher end logitech ones, that is what I feel is a rip off.

3. As far as justifying the purchase of Mech KBs. I assure you, most of the mech KB users here have multiple mech KBs. Why would we justify an expensive product by purchasing another one? I peronsally have 3 Mech KBs over $100 ( Filco 104 w/ NKRO, Steelseries 7G, and Cherry w/MX Reds ). I also find it hilarious you call out TwoCables. He is one of the most devoted Mech KB. owners on here, TwoCables has often stated that the most favorite part of his system is his mech KB. He types these long drawn out posts on all the virtues of his Filco down to the last detail. The guy loves his keyboard and this is not some front to justify spending over $100. This type of attitude is felt by most mech KB owners also, although it maybe a bit zealous sometimes, it is almost always genuine and not a way to "justify" spending an "obscene" amount.

I personally will use mechanical KBs only from this point on. From a price standapoint, the costs are justified by use of higher quality key switches and plastics. I don't mind if someone prefers rubber domes, but I couldn't justify the price point for some of them such as the G19.

tl;dr version:
Most of current mech KB users have extensive experience with rubber domes such as logitech and razer products. Mech KBs might seem expensive, but they justify the price with high quality build/parts. In relation, I can't justify the standard 10 dollar rubber dome and something like the G15, that is just my opinion though. Mech KB users aren't trying to justify their purchase by bashing, they just genuinely like their product that much. It's the norm that mech KB users purchase multiple mech KBs, this doesn't feel like denial, but more of genuine enthusiasm.
I understand that I came across as kinda (ok, really) harsh in my first post. I was in a bad mood when I posted that, which in retrospect wasn't very smart. I didn't intend to start a fight (it might have come across that way), I was just wondering why people would spend so much money on something that didn't really seem to me to be worth it. I now understand why people feel that it's worth it to buy them, and I understand that your opinion is that I'm wrong to like my G15. So, once again, I apologize for my harsh tone in the first post, and if I am able to pick up a mechanical keyboard (unlikely, but it could happen), I will come back here and tell everyone if I like it or not. All I did was I gave my honest opinion that mechanical keyboards aren't worth it from where I'm standing. I never said that other people had to justify their purchases, I just said that I didn't think that I could justify spending that much on a keyboard. If I had more money, I might be persuaded to buy one. Yeah, the mechanical keyboards I tried were nice, but they weren't worth $120 when I tried them. That's all I was trying to say. If you want to bash me a bit more, maybe I deserve it .
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Hi guys, if i had the ABS M1 keyboard...and if im gonna buy the Deck keyboard, will i get any other better benefit other then back lightning, gaming & typing?
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Hi guys, if i had the ABS M1 keyboard...and if im gonna buy the Deck keyboard, will i get any other better benefit other then back lightning, gaming & typing?
buy a USB Cup Warmer. what kind of question is that?
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buy a USB Cup Warmer. what kind of question is that?
what i mean is..if im using ABS M1 right now..isit worth it to get the Deck keyboard? will Deck keyboard way better or out perform ABS M1 alot other then Back lightning?
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Hi guys, if i had the ABS M1 keyboard...and if im gonna buy the Deck keyboard, will i get any other better benefit other then back lightning, gaming & typing?
Better feel, way way better build quailty.

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what i mean is..if im using ABS M1 right now..isit worth it to get the Deck keyboard? will Deck keyboard way better or out perform ABS M1 alot other then Back lightning?
Yes its a far superior keyboard. There was a reason the M1 went on sale for $20.
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what i mean is..if im using ABS M1 right now..isit worth it to get the Deck keyboard? will Deck keyboard way better or out perform ABS M1 alot other then Back lightning?
oh. definitely a upgrade in every department. on paper Cherry MX Black Linear switches are lighter, no tactile point and more durable. full rollover, no transposition, back lighting, higher quality plastics and printing.
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Better feel, way way better build quailty.



Yes its a far superior keyboard. There was a reason the M1 went on sale for $20.
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oh. definitely a upgrade in every department. on paper Cherry MX Black Linear switches are lighter, no tactile point and more durable. full rollover, no transposition, back lighting, higher quality plastics and printing.
thanks..thats what i want
oh ok..now...
i go to Deck Keyboards,that's 2 different type of keyboard..one is Linear, one is Tactile..what doest that mean? which one better?
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thanks..thats what i want
oh ok..now...
i go to Deck Keyboards,that's 2 different type of keyboard..one is Linear, one is Tactile..what doest that mean? which one better?
Linear models use Cherry MX Black Linear switches. Tactile models use Cherry MX Clear switches.

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The linear switches have an almost consistent force through the entire stroke of the key. This means that when you first start pressing down on the key all the way until you completely bottom the key out as far as it can go, the force you feel at your finger remains the same. Not much feedback besides when you feel the "thud" at the bottom.

The tactile switches have a slightly elevated force around the midpoint of the stroke of the key. So, when you have pressed the key down about halfway, the force increases slightly for a brief moment, and then goes back to normal. This gives your fingers an indication that the key has been pressed so you can stop pressing the key and let up to move on to another key faster. Think of it as a "click" feel without the "click" sound (Cherry does also have a tactile switch - MX1A-E1NW - that also makes the "click" sound much like old IBM keyboards).
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What the ABS has is a tactile switch, but a rather poor one. The Deck's tactile switches are slightly lighter and have a more rounded tactile bump. They also have a slightly longer travel, so it's easier to not bottom out with a loud "THUNK". But some people dislike the bump for gaming; personally, I don't mind it (though I have the lighter MX brown instead of MX clear like the Deck.

The linear switches are described as smooth, but heavy, no good for typing, but great for gaming.


And the Deck is better than the ABS M1 in virtually every way.
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