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What Cherry MX switch has a travel distance of 1.5mm though?
It sounds like they're talking about distance to actuation, but random google search gives 2mm for most cherry mx switches.
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What Cherry MX switch has a travel distance of 1.5mm though?
It's Razer, so they're either not understanding correctly or they're trying to increase the chances of selling this keyboard. Here's the graph of the Cherry MX Blue taken from the OP of this thread:




A picture is worth a thousand words. Here we see the reset point at 1.5mm, but an actuation force of 50g. But now which would sell better to a gamer: 1.5mm key travel distance, or 2mm? Razer enjoys using words that look good, such as "anti-ghosting", and "1.5 mm" looks much better than "2 mm".

Plus, that video that was posted earlier sounds exactly like the MX Blues. On top of that, Christine discovered that this is just that iOne board with a different body, and that iOne board has the Cherry MX Blues.
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It's Razer, so they're either not understanding correctly or they're trying to increase the chances of selling this keyboard. Here's the graph of the Cherry MX Blue taken from the OP of this thread:


A picture is worth a thousand words. Here we see the reset point at 1.5mm, but an actuation force of 50g. But now which would sell better to a gamer: 1.5mm key travel distance, or 2mm? Razer enjoys using words that look good, such as "anti-ghosting", and "1.5 mm" looks much better than "2 mm".

Plus, that video that was posted earlier sounds exactly like the MX Blues. On top of that, Christine discovered that this is just that iOne board with a different body, and that iOne board has the Cherry MX Blues.
Legally, they can't put 1.5mm if it's 2. That's false advertising.
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Legally, they can't put 1.5mm if it's 2. That's false advertising.
So is using the term "anti-ghosting". After all, that refers to the key rollover. So Razer might be being being sneaky because "1.5 mm" is technically a part of the key travel spec.
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Legally, they can't put 1.5mm if it's 2. That's false advertising.
Razers own switch? Or could that be to clever for Razer?

When was that Keyboard released, if I may ask?
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post #5916 of 14564
I thought they were Cherry ML switches when I first read it.

Cherry ML switches have a 3mm travel distance, 1.5mm actuation. tactile, non-clicky.



according to this site the actuation force is 52g.

however according to Cherry they can only be PCB mounted and the Blackwidow weighs 3.3lbs.

there are keyboards that use standard size keycaps with Cherry ML switches
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post #5917 of 14564
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
So is using the term "anti-ghosting". After all, that refers to the key rollover. So Razer might be being being sneaky because "1.5 mm" is technically a part of the key travel spec.
Technically, the term "anti-ghosting" has been re-purposed to mean the keys don't lock up now. Several other large companies have thrown that term around in that meaning, so they will be in the clear. You are right that they could be playing with the graph to make it come out to 1.5 though.

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Razers own switch? Or could that be to clever for Razer?

When was that Keyboard released, if I may ask?
While Razer might be big enough to make their own switch, I doubt they would, especially on their first try at a mechanical keyboard. It would just be way too much R&D for a market that has not yet been proven to be successful for the mainstream gamer. It could be something to look for in the future if this keyboard does really well I suppose, most likely it would be to make a cheaper switch to bring the price down to $100. $100 seems to be what most people want to pay for a "high end" gaming peripheral.
Edited by Crazy9000 - 8/18/10 at 12:15am
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this is the first mechanical keyboard with all the trimmings. the Gigabyte GK-K8000 wasn't illuminated and the iOne XArmor U9BL, Scorpius M10BL doesn't have macros. $129 the Blackwidow is going to maul everything in it's path.
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post #5919 of 14564
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Technically, the term "anti-ghosting" has been re-purposed to mean the keys don't lock up now. Several other large companies have thrown that term around in that meaning, so they will be in the clear. You are right that they could be playing with the graph to make it come out to 1.5 though.



While Razer might be big enough to make their own switch, I doubt they would, especially on their first try at a mechanical keyboard. It would just be way too much R&D for a market that has not yet been proven to be successful for the mainstream gamer. It could be something to look for in the future if this keyboard does really well I suppose, most likely it would be to make a cheaper switch to bring the price down to $100. $100 seems to be what most people want to pay for a "high end" gaming peripheral.
Never thought of it like that, it would be neat if they had though.

If logitech made a mechanical Keyboard it would hit the market as the next "Evolution in Keystrokes!" and it would go for $300 shipped.


But you are right the mechnical Keyboard is really only for a more "Informed" crowed, and as an outsider myself I find it hard to put that much down for a keyboard that I KNOW I will like, I just don't know how much I will like it over my current Scissors.

I wanted to buy a broken or just a really old one which had been replaced a while back just to get an idea for what I was getting myself into, but the things is these don't break generally nor do people replace them all to often especially when they get used to a certain switch.
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Originally Posted by lmnop View Post
I thought they were Cherry ML switches when I first read it.

Cherry ML switches have a 3mm travel distance, 1.5mm actuation. tactile, non-clicky.



according to this site the actuation force is 52g.

however according to Cherry they can only be PCB mounted and the Blackwidow weighs 3.3lbs.

there are keyboards that use standard size keycaps with Cherry ML switches
Heh, only Razer would do this.

But hey, I guess it's a start.

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Technically, the term "anti-ghosting" has been re-purposed to mean the keys don't lock up now.
I know (I thought you knew that I know - my bad). But I will never go along with it and/or accept it - ever. To me, "Anti-Ghosting" will never make sense to describe better key rollover, or full N-Key Rollover. The reason is because the whole reason why it was called "ghosting" in the first place is because of the very thing that happens: 2 keys are pressed, and a third character appears out of nowhere just like ghosts in real life.

So they can try to make it make sense all they want, but it never will. It doesn't describe key rollover problems at all. I mean, how can it be called "ghosting" when I can't exceed X amount of simultaneous keypresses? What, do the unregistered keypresses become ghosts because I'm pressing them and nothing is happening? Good grief!

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Several other large companies have thrown that term around in that meaning, so they will be in the clear.
I know this (but I guess I haven't made it obvious yet), except I hate it.

Ok, so let's say that Razer releases a mechanical keyboard using the Cherry MX Blacks and calls it a "clicky" keyboard. Would it then be ok if all non-clicky keyboards started being called "clicky" just because the big companies are changing the meaning?

I refuse to sit here and do nothing about these big companies changing the terminology when there's no good reason to change it (including Microsoft now).

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You are right that they could be playing with the graph to make it come out to 1.5 though.
It definitely wouldn't be the first time I've seen companies like Razer advertise in this manner. They can get away with it because it is technically a part of the key travel spec. And y'know what? Thanks to companies like Razer, we may one day find other companies selling Cherry MX Blue boards and saying that it has a 1.5 mm key travel. I bet that would make other mechanical keyboard enthusiasts feel the same way about that as I do about this NKRO/Anti-Ghosting stuff!

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While Razer might be big enough to make their own switch, I doubt they would, especially on their first try at a mechanical keyboard. It would just be way too much R&D for a market that has not yet been proven to be successful for the mainstream gamer. It could be something to look for in the future if this keyboard does really well I suppose, most likely it would be to make a cheaper switch to bring the price down to $100. $100 seems to be what most people want to pay for a "high end" gaming peripheral.
I guess we can only hope that big companies like Razer and Logitech don't start making cheap mechanical keyboards. I mean, they'll leave a bad taste in people's mouths and then it'll be even harder to convince people to pamper their fingers with a good mechanical keyboard. I mean, we could show them the best mechanical keyboard available, and they would still probably say, "No, I tried the mechanical keyboard by Razer and it sucked. So, no thanks: rubber domes are still superior".

But, I guess my glass is half empty today.
Edited by TwoCables - 8/18/10 at 12:41am
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