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As to the build quality, the BlackWidow was designed in-house by our own team and not an OEM that we just slapped the Razer brand on. I'm aware there's been a lot of speculation on the forums about this even before anyone's got their hands on an actual review unit. At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding so I'll leave it up to you to see the quality and all the gaming features of the BlackWidow for yourself. =)
Ok, it's not identical to the XArmor, but it's largely the same thing with a few differences here and there. It's about as much of a Razer keyboard as the Das is a Metadot keyboard.
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i know your tryingt o be nice but if RGB lighting is the onliest thing thats special, then its meh keyboard ;/
I'll grant you that it looks really cool and has several neat features, but at the end of the day, it's still just an overpriced rubber dome keyboard.
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Currently typing on the model M, it is really freaking loud, even noticeable with my sound isolation headphones on.
I do not understand what is so tactile about it so far, it has a perfectly linear feel to it, the only difference is the supposed slight click at the end a milimeter before it bottoms out. In other words, it does not appear to be possible not to bottom out on this thing, perhaps I am misunderstanding something about the principle of it being tactile, or perhaps I am simply so used to bottoming out that I need to practice not to do so.

It is extremely comfortable and generally has extremely well balanced ergonomis and excellent key feel.

it clearly appears to be increasing my accuracy so far, and generally appears to increase my typing speed, or at the very least match the one that I had on my ruber dome.

It is clearly built like a tank, and will most likely withstand virtually any key pounding that is thrown at it.

I was under the impression that being tactile meant that the keyboard actually has a noticeable distance between the key hit actually being registered and the actual bottoming out of the key, so far this thing simply appears to feel like a linear mechanical switch with a certain click at the end.

It is pretty large, and relatively heavy for a keyboard.

I received the mouse bungee at exactly the same time as this keyboard, and so far it is virtually flawless.

Please tell me what you think.
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Currently typing on the model M, it is really freaking loud, even noticeable with my sound isolation headphones on.
I do not understand what is so tactile about it so far, it has a perfectly linear feel to it, the only difference is the supposed slight click at the end a milimeter before it bottoms out. In other words, it does not appear to be possible not to bottom out on this thing, perhaps I am misunderstanding something about the principle of it being tactile, or perhaps I am simply so used to bottoming out that I need to practice not to do so.

It is extremely comfortable and generally has extremely well balanced ergonomis and excellent key feel.

it clearly appears to be increasing my accuracy so far, and generally appears to increase my typing speed, or at the very least match the one that I had on my ruber dome.

It is clearly built like a tank, and will most likely withstand virtually any key pounding that is thrown at it.

I was under the impression that being tactile meant that the keyboard actually has a noticeable distance between the key hit actually being registered and the actual bottoming out of the key, so far this thing simply appears to feel like a linear mechanical switch with a certain click at the end.

It is pretty large, and relatively heavy for a keyboard.

I received the mouse bungee at exactly the same time as this keyboard, and so far it is virtually flawless.

Please tell me what you think.
Hmm. Well "tactile" refers to a bit of resistance that is felt for a moment during the downward travel of the keystroke. But if you're not feeling it, then perhaps this is normal for the Buckling Springs. I mean, perhaps this tactile feedback is much more rounded instead of being distinct and/or crisp.
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Hmm. Well "tactile" refers to a bit of resistance that is felt for a moment during the downward travel of the keystroke. But if you're not feeling it, then perhaps this is normal for the Buckling Springs. I mean, perhaps this tactile feedback is much more rounded instead of being distinct and/or crisp.
I do sense a certain amount of resistance when pressing it, it actually feels quite nice. I am still not certain what people meant by "not bottoming out" a tactile key, so far I am under the impression that buckling springs were designed to be bottomed out, it is definitely not a bad thing though, I already appear to be liking these things better then MX blacks, they are generally smoother, and have an overall nicer smoother feel to it while being very responsive and pleasant at the same time. I am also ridiculously accurate on this keyboard so far, I typed this whole paragraph without virtually making a single spelling error.
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I do sense a certain amount of resistance when pressing it, it actually feels quite nice. I am still not certain what people meant by "not bottoming out" a tactile key, so far I am under the impression that buckling springs were designed to be bottomed out, it is definitely not a bad thing though, I already appear to be liking these things better then MX blacks, they are generally smoother, and have an overall nicer smoother feel to it while being very responsive and pleasant at the same time. I am also ridiculously accurate on this keyboard so far, I typed this whole paragraph without virtually making a single spelling error.
I make far fewer typographical errors on my Filco Majestouch Tactile Click as well. That was actually one of the first things I noticed when I switched from rubber dome to the Tactile Click. And then when I started hovering my wrists while typing, my accuracy improved even more. Now the only time I make a typographical error is just from being human. I mean, typos are no longer caused by my keyboard!

Regarding bottoming out: now that I've seen your description of the way it feels to type on the Model M and how it seems to be difficult to avoid bottoming out, this animating gif makes much more sense to me:




It made sense before, but I can actually clearly see what you're talking about. So damn: you are very, very good at explaining things.
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I make far fewer typographical errors on my Filco Majestouch Tactile Click as well. That was actually one of the first things I noticed when I switched from rubber dome to the Tactile Click. And then when I started hovering my wrists while typing, my accuracy improved even more. Now the only time I make a typographical error is just from being human. I mean, typos are no longer caused by my keyboard!

Regarding bottoming out: now that I've seen your description of the way it feels to type on the Model M and how it seems to be difficult to avoid bottoming out, this animating gif makes much more sense to me:

It made sense before, but I can actually clearly see what you're talking about. So damn: you are very, very good at explaining things.
Thank you good sir, I will definitely report my experiences with this keyboard when I am more used to it. So far I am already significantly more comfortable with it, and find it extremely enjoyable to type on.
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Thank you good sir, I will definitely report my experiences with this keyboard when I am more used to it. So far I am already significantly more comfortable with it, and find it extremely enjoyable to type on.
You're welcome!! I'm very happy to see that this ended up being a good experience.
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You're welcome!! I'm very happy to see that this ended up being a good experience.
A few individuals in geekhack are telling me that I might have gotten a relatively old one with mushy springs if I cannot feel the "enormous tactile rift" on this keyboard, I am not fully certain. I was honestly under the impression that one of the whole points of of tactile keys was to have a capacity of pushing them halfway instead of fully "bottoming them out", as opposed to simply having a certain amount of resistance unlike various linear keys.

I probably am misunderstanding something in this area, because so far the keyboard is still exceptionally comfortable.
Edited by Genkaz92 - 9/22/10 at 8:32pm
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A few individuals in geekhack are telling me that I might have gotten a relatively old one with mushy springs if I cannot feel the "enormous tactile rift" on this keyboard, I am not fully certain. I was honestly under the impression that one of the whole points of of tactile keys was to have a capacity of pushing them halfway instead of fully "bottoming them out", as opposed to simply having a certain amount of resistance unlike various linear keys.
I have to agree with them about the possibility of this just being an older, more worn-out Model M. I was going to mention it before, but I was not 100% sure. So the fact that some people over at Geek Hack have said it basically tells me that I must've been right all along. I mean, I suppose that it only makes sense since it is an old keyboard to begin with.

Speaking of its age: what is the date shown on the bottom of it? I think that there's a date printed on a sticker that's on either all of the Model Ms, or at least most of them. This won't be an ultra-accurate way in determining if it's the keyboard's age that has made it feel this worn out, but it can be a general idea. I mean, I would say that another possible reason for it feeling like this is it may have been used every single day for like 8-10 hours per day.
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