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The idea of acquiring one of those, or one of those Focus FK-5001 calculator boards is something that tempts me. That said, I'm not a huge fan of Alps keyboards, and my SGI with Blue Alps is probably more than enough Alps for me.
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I think the Northgate Omnikey Ultra was ahead of it's time. how many keyboards mechanical or other in 2010 have the functionality and quality the Northgate Omnikey Ultra has?

you can buy one refurbished for about $130. some people have picked one up at recycle or goodwill for less than $10.
Edited by lmnop - 9/24/10 at 4:11am
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I would certainly not blame anyone for wanting to acquire it, although this model M should be more then enough for me personally for now.

By the way, perhaps it could be a good idea for me to check for any broken rivets just to be idiot proof nuts and bolts mod wise?
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Originally Posted by Genkaz92 View Post
Typing on the model M is becoming increasingly more pleasant, so far I have absolutely zero complaints about it concerning the actual mechanics. I am also starting to actually like the buckling spring sound of the keys, and on the second thought it is really not that loud. The only thing which I would be interested in improving is the size of this thing, but currently I really have no need of purchasing a Unicomp Spacesaver, also considering the fact that I have a rather extensive crapload of keyboard tray space due to my recent mod to it which went quite successfully.

It is quite interesting that at the first glance there is no such thing as future proof in the computer world, but then you stumble upon something like this keyboard, many units of which have been found on scrap yards, and still managed to work perfectly after relatively basic refurbishing.
hehe every single time I tell somebody that I'll probably still be enjoying my Filco Majestouch 20 years from now, I usually end up sitting back and just going "Wow. That's hard to imagine! I'll be 51 years old by that time!" (although, I never actually type that)

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Glad to hear it good sir, would you kindly attempt to play a few quick FPS games with it just for the purpose of telling me how comfortable it is to game with? I am still relatively curious whether MX blues are for the most part uncomfortable for gaming purposes, or whether they can be comfortably used by someone afterall.
There are many people who prefer the Cherry MX Blues for gaming. There are also people who don't have a preference, but yet they say that they have absolutely no problems gaming on them. I am one of those people who have no preference and also have absolutely no problems gaming on them.

The reason why these can be a problem for some people is because the reset point is above the actuation point. So, picture this in slow motion: as the key is coming back up (as it is being released), the keystroke signal that is being sent to the computer becomes severed at a point in this vertical key travel that is higher than the point at which it activated during the downward travel. This means that double-tapping can be problematic for some people because it means that the key must be allowed to come all the way back up before that 2nd keypress during the double-tap in order to achieve two separate keypresses right in a row.

There are many professional/competitive gamers who hate this because their double-tapping technique is so polished and clean that when they double-tap, they don't allow the key to come all the way back up before the 2nd keypress of the double-tap. In other words, their finger barely moves during the double-tap. But then there are people like me who have a sloppier technique and therefore if I double-tap, then I allow the key to come all the way back up anyway. It's just natural for me because I don't care about improving it: it works for me because I am more of a casual gamer.

Another problem that can be had with the Cherry MX Blues is very similar to double-tapping, except it involves switching between keys: Crazy9000 brought it up that when switching between two keys where you require that the keystroke signal of one key is severed before the next key is pressed, using the Cherry MX Blues can result in you ending up with two keys pressed at the same time when what you actually wanted was a simple switch from one key to another (such as quickly changing directions while strafing). So, again, the key must be allowed to come all the way back up in order for the signal to be severed so that when you switch from A to D very quickly, you get exactly what you want: you suddenly change from strafing to the left, to strafing to the right.

Now, in my experience, if I am strafing to the left (holding down 'A') and decide to press 'D' without letting go of the 'A' key, then I just stop moving as though I simply stopped pressing 'A' altogether - and I have full NKRO too (yep, I am using the USB to PS/2 adapter, and it is working perfectly). But now when performing this in something like Notepad, it switches, but there is a delay. I mean, if I hold down 'A' and then press 'D' while continuing to hold down 'A', then it switches to 'D' - but only after a short delay (which is configurable in the Keyboard control panel). So, games react differently.

However, I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever had a problem with the Cherry MX Blues for either double-tapping, or when needing to quickly and instantly switch between keys such as strafing back and forth left and right. I just naturally let go of 'A' before pressing 'D' when I want to change directions. I think I've been doing it that way for about 15 years now. I remember back in the days of Descent and Descent II that when I wanted to switch strafing direction, then I would just completely let go while instantly pressing the other key so that I could instantly change direction.

In other words: only you will really know whether or not it's going to be a problem.
Edited by TwoCables - 9/24/10 at 4:55am
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That is definitely very interesting, the techniques of many individuals indeed vary when it comes to key mechanics, therefore I perfectly understand now why MX blues would not be preferred by someone with a smoother more fluid-like style, I am assuming that you have to be more "Isolated" in terms of key pressing style in order to use them in a comfortable manner. In all honestly I might theoretically be comfortable with them, because I usually do completely let go of a certain key before moving onto the next key (I still have my finger on it, but it usually has a fully elevated position.) I am not sure how it would handle multi key gaming operations though, for example if I wanted to create a diagonal motion by using s and a at the same time, or w and d. As long as they are more or less tolerant towards that, then I might have felt comfortable with them if I got around using them.

So far I am coming to conclusion that I would have most likely been comfortable with them in most gaming environments, also considering the fact that I have a relatively isolated style of pushing keys even when I am repeatedly pounding them using quick multi key pushing motions.

I suppose that in the very end buckling springs are a better universal choice for gaming though, these these wonderful thingies are accepting towards virtually any typing style, except perhaps someone who prefers a high actuation point.

If someone were to pick two mechanical switch opposites, would MX blues and buckling springs come quite close in that area? I am talking about picking opposites in the same category of clicky and tactile keys, not in the whole mechanical key spectrum.

Also, I would like to ask once again whether it is a good idea to preform a precaution diagnostic on my keyboard in the area of the nuts and bolts mod. I actually already opened this thing up before to check for defective hammers, and other possible switch difficulties, but somehow did not examine the actual bottom of the device whatsoever.
Edited by Genkaz92 - 9/24/10 at 5:06am
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That is definitely very interesting, the techniques of many individuals indeed vary when it comes to key mechanics, therefore I perfectly understand now why MX blues would not be preferred by someone with a smoother more fluid-like style, I am assuming that you have to be more "Isolated" in terms of key pressing style in order to use them in a comfortable manner. In all honestly I might theoretically be comfortable with them, because I usually do completely let go of a certain key before moving onto the next key (I still have my finger on it, but it usually has a fully elevated position.) I am not sure how it would handle multi key gaming operations though, for example if I wanted to create a diagonal motion by using s and a at the same time, or w and d. As long as they are more or less tolerant towards that, then I might have felt comfortable with them if I got around using them.
Regarding moving in circles (or, more of a diamond pattern really) with just the WASD keys, that is completely unaffected because it's actually desirable to always have two keys pressed as you move around inside the WASD keys in order to move around in circles (or in a diamond pattern) with only the WASD keys. And oddly enough, I did test it while I was making my post above, but for some reason I decided that it wasn't worth mentioning. I guess I figured my post was long enough already.

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So far I am coming to conclusion that I would have most likely been comfortable with them in most gaming environments, also considering the fact that I have a relatively isolated style of pushing keys even when I am repeatedly pounding them using quick multi key pushing motions.
By "isolated", do you mean allowing the key to come all the way back up before pressing it down again - such as the way I describe I double-tap?

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I suppose that in the very end buckling springs are a better universal choice for gaming though, these these wonderful thingies are accepting towards virtually any typing style, except perhaps someone who prefers a high actuation point.

If someone were to pick two mechanical switch opposites, would MX blues and buckling springs come quite close in that area? I am talking about picking opposites in the same category of clicky and tactile keys, not in the whole mechanical key spectrum.
I don't know actually, so I'll wait for someone who does.

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Also, I would like to ask once again whether it is a good idea to preform a precaution diagnostic on my keyboard in the area of the nuts and bolts mod. I actually already opened this thing up before to check for defective hammers, and other possible switch difficulties, but somehow did not examine the actual bottom of the device whatsoever.
I say go for it just because it's your keyboard now.
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By "isolated", do you mean allowing the key to come all the way back up before pressing it down again - such as the way I describe I double-tap?
Precisely good sir, I also meant it in the application of letting one key come up completely before pushing a different key down. I will indeed check for the broken rivets to be certain.
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It appears to be secure enough to me, only one rivet is missing:
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Precisely good sir, I also meant it in the application of letting one key come up completely before pushing a different key down. I will indeed check for the broken rivets to be certain.
Oh, then I would say that you might have no problems gaming on the Cherry MX Blues!
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