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Originally Posted by ch_123 View Post
How do you feel it compared quality wise with your Model M?
model M appears to be a few hairs below in quality, it is difficult to compare due to the Deck and the model M having dramatically different styles. I meant it in a way that IF the Deck put together something extremely similar to model M in durability, size, and technology, then it would probably be of a slightly higher quality then the original model M. I may be incorrect due to me only observing an extremely new Deck and a relatively old model M (even though they age virtually flawlessly well) but in my opinion the quality of the Deck generally seemed more polished and just a few hairs generally higher, also considering all the spiffy stuff that Deck manages to shove into their boards and still make them extremely durable.

If I were to stop being picky though, model M appears to stay virtually on the same step quality wise compared to the Deck, maybe a few hairs below.
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Well, the one you have is one of the later cost cut models. On the flipside, the quality difference between older and newer Model M designs isn't as big as some would believe, and the Model M definitely has some weak points - the plastic rivets, and the use of a membrane for the switches (although it's awful lot easier to fix a dead membrane than it is to fix a dead PCB)

The older IBM keyboards, the Model F and the beam spring switch keyboards, are of a level of build quality that is so over-engineered that they are practically comical.
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Well, the one you have is one of the later cost cut models. On the flipside, the quality difference between older and newer Model M designs isn't as big as some would believe, and the Model M definitely has some weak points - the plastic rivets, and the use of a membrane for the switches (although it's awful lot easier to fix a dead membrane than it is to fix a dead PCB)

The older IBM keyboards, the Model F and the beam spring switch keyboards, are of a level of build quality that is so over-engineered that they are practically comical.
If this supposedly cost cut model M is only a few hairs below the quality of a Deck, then a model F must surely be above it, or even an earlier non cut model M.
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That is indeed quite interesting, I would also assume that they excellent for gaming.
Yes the Topre works quite well for gaming. It's the best keyboard I've found for gaming yet, as well as being an excellent typer. It does take some getting used to, but once you do the experience is quite positive in pretty much all aspects.

I opted for the all weighted 50g version, and I suspect that a normal realforce may be slightly odd since the keys have different weights with typing in mind. The idea was that the keys that are hit with the weaker fingers, like the pinky, would have lighter keys to compensate. I imagine that may be a little strange in a gaming situation where the finger layout is different. Honestly I have not tried the normal board though, so it could be fine.

My wish is to eventually get a 30g weighted realforce, but I guess I'll have to wait for a refurb on ebay to even think about affording it.
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The 30g-only versions are only available in Japanese keyboards. With US layout Realforces, you have the choice between variable-weight and all-55g. The HHKB is all-45g.
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How many different versions of the Realforce are there?
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How many different versions of the Realforce are there?
To my knowledge there is 4 versions:

55G
45G
30G
and Ergonomic (various weight depending on the finger hitting the key.)
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i figure this is the best place to put in my two cents..
read up on everything waaaay at the start of this thread, and im interested..
really took away two things, keyboards feel good when used and they will last..

main point now...

in 3 years i have used 2 saitek eclipses till they died, 1 razer lycosa for a couple months..bleh.. and just now a sidewinder x6 that lasted 2 months before the main keys decided they didnt want to respond...

i want something that will last.
hopefully with fairly quiet keys...but if not..oh well i have headphones

does anyone have some good recommendations for me?
mid range price (i know they are more expensive in general)
backlit if possible
and with a numpad and regular sized backspace key...cant stand the little one..always miss..

lemme know why you recommend aswell... in the mean time im shoppin around..

thks
Get a Microsoft Sidewinder X4 if you want NKRO over USB at "midrange" prices.


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@ loop0001: What do you use it for? Mostly typing or mostly gaming? And what do you do to kill them keyboards?

You could look at the new Thermaltake boards or wait till the Razer comes out. If you are dead set on back lighting for a mechanical board then "mid" price range will have to go
 
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@ loop0001: What do you use it for? Mostly typing or mostly gaming? And what do you do to kill them keyboards?

You could look at the new Thermaltake boards or wait till the Razer comes out. If you are dead set on back lighting for a mechanical board then "mid" price range will have to go
gaming mostly, tho alot of typing as well.
if i have to throw out backlighting then no problem there...guess i like it cause of seeing the keys but i should know them by heart by now (if not muscle memory)

i have no idea why my keyboards die...i clean them often, and i dont think i press to hard when typing so i cant be that bad...

thermaltake board. ill search for it. have any thoughts for some that arent back lit?

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Get a Microsoft Sidewinder X4 if you want NKRO over USB.
that isnt a mechanical keyboard is it?
the ones with that rubber layer are the ones that wear out..
im not sure what my issue was but a connection somehow broke down..

what do you mean by "NKRO over USB" how does rollover key link with the type of plug in?
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