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You know the Geekhack NKRO wiki is quite complete and includes the specific failure modes on these "Gaming Optimized" keyboards including the new Razer Black Widow.

If you don't have time to read it in a nutshell a guaranteed 6 key rollover (6KRO) over USB is sufficient if you mouse with one hand and use the keyboard with the other.

It's pretty simple really.
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I hope the song is in your head forever.

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Christine Cat in your head ****ing with your ****.

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post #8314 of 14551
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Originally Posted by ripster View Post
You know the Geekhack NKRO wiki is quite complete and includes the specific failure modes on these "Gaming Optimized" keyboards including the new Razer Black Widow.

If you don't have time to read it in a nutshell a guaranteed 6 key rollover (6KRO) over USB is sufficient if you mouse with one hand and use the keyboard with the other.

It's pretty simple really.
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Originally Posted by ripster View Post
You know the Geekhack NKRO wiki is quite complete and includes the specific failure modes on these "Gaming Optimized" keyboards including the new Razer Black Widow.

If you don't have time to read it in a nutshell a guaranteed 6 key rollover (6KRO) over USB is sufficient if you mouse with one hand and use the keyboard with the other.

It's pretty simple really.
It's important to note that the black widow only has 2KRO, and could lock up even when playing with one hand. From the sound of it they made sure WASD doesn't lock up, anything else could be a gamble.
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Yep. That's what the wiki says.
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Razer Black Widow (lighted and non-lighted): 2KRO. Fails CRTL-AQ. Well optimized around WASD/ESDF clusters. Not so much for arrow key users. Source 1.

Edited by ripster - 9/29/10 at 5:26pm
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Hey. Keyboards remember. Any word on this one. I think I remember rubber but ?
and 20 key "anti-ghosting" ARG! I talked to them about that at Computex. They give the same answer as Micro$oft "Its what the gamers call it.

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Hey. Keyboards remember. Any word on this one. I think I remember rubber but ?
and 20 key "anti-ghosting" ARG! I talked to them about that at Computex. They give the same answer as Micro$oft "Its what the gamers call it.

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It's too late to stop the anti-ghosting terminology now. Even Deck mentions it in their FaQ.
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For all USB Deck products there is a limit of 6 keys + modifier keys (shifts and alts) that can be pressed at any given time and still registered by your computer. This is limited by the USB specification. All Deck Legend PS2 products have full n-key rollover meaning you can press as many keys at the same time as you want and they should all register to your computer without "ghosting" as some call it.
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The OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide does not help the confusion with this definition. ANY keyboard can handle up to 8 keys at once if you search long enough.
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You might also hear the term where n is replaced with a number (i.e., 6-key rollover), which means that up to that number of keys can be pressed simultaneously.
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NKRO on Razer BlackWidow with native PS/2?


is this true?
They're trying to say that both of their BlackWidows are superior because they don't require the use of PS/2 in order to achieve key rollover that is good enough for gaming. They're saying that their matrix is good enough even though it is nowhere near full NKRO.

Take notice of how they claim that the PS/2 connection creates limitations that USB overcomes. This is Razer's sneaky way of saying that PS/2 is inferior because if you have a PS/2-only keyboard (with no option for USB without a PS/2 to USB adapter), then you will be screwed if there's no PS/2 port which would force you to use an adapter. So they're trying to say that by using this matrix, they didn't have to make this keyboard into a full NKRO keyboard which means it doesn't need PS/2 which means that it can always use USB which they're saying is superior because obviously, you can plug a USB keyboard into any USB port.

But in reality, they're just trying to maximize their sales by saying "our keyboard is the best mechanical keyboard on the market, and here's why". The chance of making money will cause a company to do almost anything to sell their product, even if it means being sneaky in their advertising. Even people who only speak English will think that this answer in the FAQ means that it has full NKRO when using an adapter. Mark my words: we will eventually see somebody complaining that the BlackWidow does not work with a USB to PS/2 adapter; these people will say that Razer lied.

But I see right through it (and it actually makes me angry that they're being this sneaky). They're saying that the BlackWidow is the superior choice because it doesn't have full NKRO which means it doesn't require the use of PS/2 just to have peace of mind that there won't be any key rollover issues. This is supposedly because the matrix they chose is good enough that it might seem like it has full NKRO for all normal gaming use. But here's something that I find funny about that answer that Razer gave: USB spec limits key rollover to 6 simultaneous key presses along with 4 simultaneous modifiers (like Ctrl, Shift, Alt, etc.). So, their "gaming matrix" is nothing special. Even the lowly little Logitech G11 seems like it has full NKRO for all practical purposes even though it does not. Does the Logitech G11 have a special "gaming matrix"? Nope!

So, screw Razer.

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It's too late to stop the anti-ghosting terminology now. Even Deck mentions it in their FaQ.
Fortunately, Deck is just making sure everyone understands what the actual terminology is without being negative and saying "...as some incorrectly call it" or something to that effect. I mean, they could have just been lazy and said that it has "extreme anti-ghosting". heh

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The OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide does not help the confusion with this definition. ANY keyboard can handle up to 8 keys at once if you search long enough.
You're the first person I've ever seen in this thread to say that the USB spec limit is 8 simultaneous presses and not 6. Is it really 8?
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