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Oh god, these are like the keyboard they used to have at our school... I'm not sure if they've gotten any better since those times, but man did i ever hate those things back then.

They are so hard to type with in my opinion compared to nice flat keyboards (the laptop type, my favorite for gaming and typing).
 
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Oh god, these are like the keyboard they used to have at our school... I'm not sure if they've gotten any better since those times, but man did i ever hate those things back then.

They are so hard to type with in my opinion compared to nice flat keyboards (the laptop type, my favorite for gaming and typing).
School keyboards are a horrible judge of any types of keyboards.
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School keyboards are a horrible judge of any types of keyboards.
Yes, but i don't want to spend $100 on a keyboard i'm going to hate. I'm seriously considering these keyboards considering how much i've been hearing about them, but if i'm going to receive it and absolutely hate it... i'll be angry. At myself that is.
 
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some of these mech switches keyboards are USB that comes with a PS/2 addon.
Is there a difference between a keyboard that comes with the purple PS/2 addon vs. one that has one built in it wires?
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I've never had a keyboard die on my in my life, and I've only owned three keyboards, I switched the first because my newer computer didn't have a PS/2 port (go figure) and I switched again because I bought a G15 because I like the G15.
It's not so much that they always die, it's mostly that the keys become very uneven, with different keys requiring different amounts of force, and maybe some keys won't register well anymore, and other similar signs of wear. Complete death would mean that the controller itself died, which is extremely unlikely no matter what the keyboard is.

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I am a touch typist, I do not look at my keyboard and can type in the dark if need be. Most people may not be, but as a touch typist I've never had an issue with membrane keyboards.
Most people don't have any issues, which is why they are fine for 90% of the world's computer users. And hell, there are plenty of membrane keyboards I'd use way before some mechanical switches (all depending on the specific switches and domes you're comparing). I wouldn't touch a Logitech G-keyboard with a 10 ft pole, but give me an IBM Ultranav or Topre Realforce and I'll be more than happy with it.

The thing is that you'll never really know the difference until you try it. Think of it like with cars....if you've never driven anything but a Prius your whole life you'll be more than happy with its performance. But once you get a taste of a Lamborghini you'll never see your car the same way again.

That's actually kind of a bad analogy because keyboard switches aren't as clear-cut to judge as engine performance, but you get the idea.

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And again, I also said that your opinion may differ, but you are not the majority of people, businesses care about who makes them the most money, you do not seem to fall under this category.
Yup you've got the idea. You get more profits selling a keyboard that costs $1 to make for $50 than you get selling a $50 board for $100 to fewer people.

Though at the same time, certain business do actually save money by buying mechanical keyboards. Newspapers for example. If you have 50 journalists who spend hours every day typing at 160WPM, cheap rubber dome boards will need to be replaced once or twice a year at the very least to keep the journalists' typing speed up. But a mechanical keyboard will still last for ages under that kind of use, and the cost will even out to be cheaper than a rubber dome.

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As an addition: This still doesn't clarify why these mechanical keyboard makers wouldn't just also make a mechanical keyboard that looks sleek and would get the attention of both people who want a quality keyboard and also something that looks nice? Or am I missing something, are these two groups mutually exclusive?
Well, looking good is all about taste. But here you go, how about this:



But the reason I don't have that one listed in the OP is because it has key transposition problems. If you type faster than 120WPM, even in short bursts, it will switch letters around on you.

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I never said that mechanical keyboards were less durable than you made them out to be, I wouldn't doubt it either. However the tone of your post seems to be a little elitist and hostile.
Sorry, I was in a rush so I just tried to make the points really quickly . These are also questions I've been asked a gazillion times so my first responses are pretty much pre-programmed lol.

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I also don't remember asking if PS/2 was better or not, that was quite clear, I was asking why it would be justified to get PS/2 when some mobos were already phasing it out (though I still see a single PS/2 port on some boards like the Rampage II and the Classified I'm assuming for mechanical keyboard enthusiasts).

This is a nice thing to know, however doesn't this completely nullify the so well referenced complete n-rollover when using USB?
It's the other way around. The complete n-key rollover is with PS/2 only. USB is limited to 6 keys + 4 modifiers (between the two shifts, alts, and ctrls, as they are technically separate keys with different scancodes).

Is it justified to stick to PS/2? IMO yes, simply because it's better in every way. But it's not like you have to make much of a choice when buying a keyboard, as like I said, all the new keyboards are compatible with both. And even if you got an old keyboard that's PS/2 only, they have plenty of PS/2 -> USB converters you can use (some better than others, I'll get you a list if you're interested).

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I cannot disagree with this point, as the last mechanical keyboard I would have possibly used would have been 15+ years ago. I remember it being extremely loud and it sounded like a machine gun when my father was programming.
lol, it was probably a Model M or something with White Alps. The two loudest switches. But they do have mechanical boards that make absolutely no noise except if you bottom out.

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I don't think I would change my typing style though I believe I do understand what you are talking about by not bottoming out the keys, I notice very infrequently sometimes even though I have pressed a key on my G15 it doesn't register, this only happens on a few keys farthest from my typing location, I am probably not giving them enough force to register.
Well why don't you try out one or two old $10-$20 boards? Yeah they're ugly and all, but at least you can get an idea of what the difference is between a mechanical and rubber dome. If you happen to pick a board with a switch that you really like then great, we can get you a new one with that same switch (in most cases at least). And if you find that you just generally like the difference between it and your logitech but there are a few aspects you'd like to change (pitch of the sound, no sound at all, preciseness of the tactile bump, softer tactile bump, etc) then we can still find you a switch that you'll like. And if you don't like it at all, then oh well it's just $10.

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Yes, but i don't want to spend $100 on a keyboard i'm going to hate. I'm seriously considering these keyboards considering how much i've been hearing about them, but if i'm going to receive it and absolutely hate it... i'll be angry. At myself that is.
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post #906 of 14564
All very good points, but it also shows me that a mechanical keyboard would be an unnecessary expenditure for me. I think I'll stick to my regular keyboard or perhaps a merc stealth

Oh and just to clear up one of my sentences:

"nullify the so well referenced complete n-rollover when using USB?"

I believe that my sentence does convey that n-rollover is nullified when using USB, perhaps I could have moved nullify to after n-rollover to make it a little clearer, grammar ftl.
Edited by v3rt3x.cub3d - 11/26/09 at 6:44am
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I've been using a cheap keyboard for the last 5 years. By now, the entire bottom left corner has completely faded away. Pushing the shift, control, or alt key is completely random in that corner. After a long debate as to whether I'd get a fancy Logitech with the little screen and illuminated keys, or a mechanical keyboard that won't break on me. I decided to go with the latter. I don't need illuminated keys, they'd probably just bother me when I'm asleep. I don't need media keys or a little screen to watch movies on while I play games that's just overkill.

Placed a pre-order for a 104-key Filco with Cherry MX Blue switches. Now the waiting begins.

+REP for the guide. I swear I've read it around 4 times through while debating between a Logitech and a mechanical keyboard.
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Keytronic makes Mechanical as well. I found one for $5 from a friend. I have to clean it tomorrow.
    
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I've been using a cheap keyboard for the last 5 years. By now, the entire bottom left corner has completely faded away. Pushing the shift, control, or alt key is completely random in that corner. After a long debate as to whether I'd get a fancy Logitech with the little screen and illuminated keys, or a mechanical keyboard that won't break on me. I decided to go with the latter. I don't need illuminated keys, they'd probably just bother me when I'm asleep. I don't need media keys or a little screen to watch movies on while I play games that's just overkill.

Placed a pre-order for a 104-key Filco with Cherry MX Blue switches. Now the waiting begins.

+REP for the guide. I swear I've read it around 4 times through while debating between a Logitech and a mechanical keyboard.
Grats. You'll love it and it'll last longer than a pet fish will (that's coming from experience lol)
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This has always been a great thread. I have recommended it to a few techie-types I know.

I know it sounds weird, but does anybody else find the video of the guy demonstrating the keyboard sounds to be very relaxing?
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