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All very good points, but it also shows me that a mechanical keyboard would be an unnecessary expenditure for me. I think I'll stick to my regular keyboard or perhaps a merc stealth

Oh and just to clear up one of my sentences:

"nullify the so well referenced complete n-rollover when using USB?"

I believe that my sentence does convey that n-rollover is nullified when using USB, perhaps I could have moved nullify to after n-rollover to make it a little clearer, grammar ftl.
lol yeah that part was confusing me...

But for real though, any reason not to give a $10 keyboard a try? It's not a lot of money, and worst case scenario you can always sell it for the same price to someone who wants to try one out too.

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I've been using a cheap keyboard for the last 5 years. By now, the entire bottom left corner has completely faded away. Pushing the shift, control, or alt key is completely random in that corner. After a long debate as to whether I'd get a fancy Logitech with the little screen and illuminated keys, or a mechanical keyboard that won't break on me. I decided to go with the latter. I don't need illuminated keys, they'd probably just bother me when I'm asleep. I don't need media keys or a little screen to watch movies on while I play games that's just overkill.

Placed a pre-order for a 104-key Filco with Cherry MX Blue switches. Now the waiting begins.

+REP for the guide. I swear I've read it around 4 times through while debating between a Logitech and a mechanical keyboard.
I have one for sale!!!!!

Oh well, you'll enjoy it, I'm sure of it

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Keytronic makes Mechanical as well. I found one for $5 from a friend. I have to clean it tomorrow.
Yes they do....pics!!!

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This has always been a great thread. I have recommended it to a few techie-types I know.

I know it sounds weird, but does anybody else find the video of the guy demonstrating the keyboard sounds to be very relaxing?


Not me, lol. But I'm so used to the sound of clicky boards now that it's just normal background noise for me.
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Why are these keyboards (for the most part) so ugly? They look like something off of my old 486. This is not what the majority of people want clearly since keyboards are mostly designed today with sleek exteriors and exotic designs.

Also, why would people spend over 100 dollars on a potentially PS/2 only keyboard when motherboard manufacturers seem to want to get rid of PS/2 ports?

I understand that a strong spring would be helpful to prevent misclicked keys for some who like to rest the weight of their hand on the keyboard (I have this issue with my mouse buttons on cheap mice!) but I don't understand how the tactile feedback would be helpful for people. I always have pressed my keys all the way down while typing, and I'm pretty certain the keyboards on my old computers (133Mhz and 233Mhz lol) were mechanical. Granted I have not used one in a very long time so it could just be me forgetting what it was like.

I'm not trying to bash your guide I just want some answers to certain things that weren't quite clarified with your guide.
There's a difference between ugly and plain. The keyboards in this guide are not ugly, they're just plain. Which is honestly the way I want it. Which keyboard is going to get stolen at a LAN party, the Logitech with the screen on it, or the boring looking Filco? (assuming the thief doesn't know the Filco name...)

Also, my Filco is USB. I use a USB > PS/2 adapter because, as stated before, PS/2 is better.
Edited by Redmist - 11/26/09 at 3:50pm
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I don't think mechanical keyboards look ugly or plain compared to what they used to look like. they look sexy. Logitech G15 looks like it was manufactured by Fisher Price.

here is some sexy three some action.



Topre is so sexy it hurts.

PS/2 port will never be obsolete. Asus uses these now but they still continue to use a separate PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse port.


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Any small (88 Key) good ones out there with a euro layout?
Edited by nullface - 11/26/09 at 8:02pm
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Any small (88 Key) good ones out there with a euro layout?
Try looking into the Cherry G84-4100.

I scored pretty good at the local Salvation Army today. Picked up an "Mtek K104" with an old AT connector. Got it home and found out it had Blue Alps switches...twice as soft as my Black Alps!
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It's the other way around. The complete n-key rollover is with PS/2 only. USB is limited to 6 keys + 4 modifiers (between the two shifts, alts, and ctrls, as they are technically separate keys with different scancodes).
I'm curious about this. So the standard USB example from USB.org (and Microsoft) for a keyboard report descriptor uses 6 key bytes. Is every manufacturer too lazy to use something bigger? Have no manufacturers tried to increase the report width? I see no reason why the OS wouldn't support 8 or 10 keys or whatever. Assuming the firmware supported more, and you'd think some do since they also operate in PS/2 mode, the report width is a simple fix.
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I'm curious about this. So the standard USB example from USB.org (and Microsoft) for a keyboard report descriptor uses 6 key bytes. Is every manufacturer too lazy to use something bigger? Have no manufacturers tried to increase the report width? I see no reason why the OS wouldn't support 8 or 10 keys or whatever. Assuming the firmware supported more, and you'd think some do since they also operate in PS/2 mode, the report width is a simple fix.
I think there is a couple keyboards with some kind of integrated memory that record n-key rollover so you can go above USB spec. I can't remember which keyboards I think one of them is the SteelSeries 7G or maybe I am thinking of another keyboard.

maybe Manyak can shed some light.
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That's a goofy solution to the problem. There must be some keyboards that have "wider" data pipes. Or not.
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I think there is a couple keyboards with some kind of integrated memory that record n-key rollover so you can go above USB spec. I can't remember which keyboards I think one of them is the SteelSeries 7G or maybe I am thinking of another keyboard.

maybe Manyak can shed some light.
The only one I'm 100% sure of is the iRocks KR=6230, and I think the ABS M1 too.

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That's a goofy solution to the problem. There must be some keyboards that have "wider" data pipes. Or not.
Over USB? Nope. It's in the USB spec. It is possible to do, but then it would require a special controller and special drivers. The computer would no longer see it as a HID ether, so you wouldn't be able to use it in BIOS and stuff. That's why noone does it.
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The only one I'm 100% sure of is the iRocks KR=6230, and I think the ABS M1 too.

Over USB? Nope. It's in the USB spec. It is possible to do, but then it would require a special controller and special drivers. The computer would no longer see it as a HID ether, so you wouldn't be able to use it in BIOS and stuff. That's why noone does it.
See that's where we disagree. The spec has an example that shows a report for a 6 byte wide pipe (not including modifiers). But like so many of the other usb devices, it's just an example. The report could be wider if the firmware developer wanted it wider (the only probable exception would be the boot protocol). The early USB devices had endpoints that were quite small, but now it would be nothing to have a 64 byte endpoint. Sticking to the same report, you could have 62 key rollover. And I think Windows would probably support it.

EDIT: And I think someone's done it:
http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html
"breaks through the USB simultaneously-pressed-switch limit of 6 switches"
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