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If mechanical keyboards are so good then why wont a large company like logitech or microsoft or even razer release an updated mechanical keyboard with hotkeys/backlighting/media keys? Would production costs on a mechanical G19 just be too damn high to be reasonable?

I was interested in buying a mechanical keyboard to try out but none seem to have the simplest media controls that i enjoy using on cheap $15 membrane keyboards.
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So, quick question here: you list the blue switches as being a 9 at gaming. I have a decent offer up to get one, but I really want to make sure I am not going to regret getting a blue instead of a brown. I have a black on another machine, and it is really tiring to type on. Others have told me that a blue switch sucks for gaming, compared to brown. Thoughts?
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If mechanical keyboards are so good then why wont a large company like logitech or microsoft or even razer release an updated mechanical keyboard with hotkeys/backlighting/media keys? Would production costs on a mechanical G19 just be too damn high to be reasonable?

I was interested in buying a mechanical keyboard to try out but none seem to have the simplest media controls that i enjoy using on cheap $15 membrane keyboards.
Simple: Because mechanical keyboards will cut into their profits. Take the G15 for example. It has averaged, over it's lifespan, about $70 at retail. And it costs around $5 to make. Using mechanical switches will increase the production cost to around $40 per keyboard. And if they increase the price any more they won't sell enough units to compensate for the difference in cost. But if you really think the name makes a difference, there's always Steelseries, ABS, IBM, and Gigabyte.

Anyway, you can program in your own media keys with Autohotkey. I like to use Ctrl+Fkeys, some other people like to use the numberpad, but you can use whatever keys or combination of keys that you want.


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So, quick question here: you list the blue switches as being a 9 at gaming. I have a decent offer up to get one, but I really want to make sure I am not going to regret getting a blue instead of a brown. I have a black on another machine, and it is really tiring to type on. Others have told me that a blue switch sucks for gaming, compared to brown. Thoughts?
Will you regret getting Blues instead of Browns? I doubt it, unless the only thing you play is UT (with double-taps). But if you want lighter switches to make it less tiring, get the Browns.
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I am not really worried about getting tired, but I do play UT every now and then. I will give the Blues a try, I think my wife is going to kill me...
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Simple: Because mechanical keyboards will cut into their profits. Take the G15 for example. It has averaged, over it's lifespan, about $70 at retail. And it costs around $5 to make. Using mechanical switches will increase the production cost to around $40 per keyboard. And if they increase the price any more they won't sell enough units to compensate for the difference in cost. But if you really think the name makes a difference, there's always Steelseries, ABS, IBM, and Gigabyte.

Anyway, you can program in your own media keys with Autohotkey. I like to use Ctrl+Fkeys, some other people like to use the numberpad, but you can use whatever keys or combination of keys that you want.
Cool program, kind of annoying but it definitely works.
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Cool program, kind of annoying but it definitely works.
it's not annoying it has a learning curve. it has it's own scripting language. you can create more complex macros than Logitech and Razer drivers. if you wanted to you can have over a 100 macros for any application.

Logitech and Razer have the money, market and influence to manufacture a mechanical keyboard but majority of their products have a 50-75% profit margin and a mechanical keyboard would bring up the build cost and to have that kind of profit margin they would have to set the MSRP high probably above $200. I don't think they would have a market for it.

I think if they had a Filco on display at a retail store most gamers would never turn back to rubber dome keyboards except maybe a minority who cannot tolerate the noise. a mechanical keyboard's speed, response, rollover and build quality is what should make a "gaming keyboard" a gaming keyboard not led and paint.
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Oh and one other reason I forgot to mention: mechanical boards last for decades. Ok, lets say that starting tomorrow morning all Logitech gaming keyboards become mechanical, and 2 million units are sold within the first year. That's two million people who won't buy another keyboard for the next 20 years (or until they have a big accident). So not only will there be less of a profit margin per unit, but the demand will decrease significantly in the long run. This is exactly what happened with IBM and their Model M, which is why there are BNIB ones on ebay very frequently.

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I think if they had a Filco on display at a retail store most gamers would never turn back to rubber dome keyboards except maybe a minority who cannot tolerate the noise. a mechanical keyboard's speed, response, rollover and build quality is what should make a "gaming keyboard" a gaming keyboard not led and paint.
Truer words could not have been spoken.

You know what though, mechanical keyboard awareness (for lack of a better word) has increased significantly since last year. Hell, I remember when I first put up the guide there was an argument in every "I want a keyboard" thread between the three or so people who knew what a mechanical keyboard was, and everyone else who thought that Logitech/Razer was the only way to go. And mechanical boards were "useless junk from 20 years ago". Now most of the people giving keyboard advice properly understand what the benefits and drawbacks are, and most that are asking for the advice do end up with a mechanical one

Anyway, my point is that the demand for them is definitely increasing. I'm just hoping that one day it'll be high enough to take enough of a chunk out of Logitech's/Razer's sales for them to change their mind and make one.
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Anyway, my point is that the demand for them is definitely increasing. I'm just hoping that one day it'll be high enough to take enough of a chunk out of Logitech's/Razer's sales for them to change their mind and make one.
I just wish there were as many switch choices as there used to be in the golden age of mechanical keyboards. Now it's about four major types: ALPS-clones, Cherry, Topre or Buckling Spring. There used to be switches from NMB, NEC, SMK, and others.
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Which ones were the preferred of those? Are the IBM Model keyboards still viable?
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Which ones were the preferred of those? Are the IBM Model keyboards still viable?
Yes, the buckling spring IBM keyboards are still very nice, albeit rather heavy switches.

What's preferred? That's a personal question.
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