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Originally Posted by Conditioned View Post
I talked to bruce at the keyboard co. Apparently the topre doesnt support ps/2 which makes full n-kro impossible.
On http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=793 it says "The subtle gold on black keycaps with their tactile feel and N Key Rollover ensure fast and accurate input."

When I point this out, instead of adjusting their website bruce justifies what the website says by explaining "Ouch.
I stand by every word on our website.
I'll try and explain.

The thing with Topre is that they set out to make the best typing keyboard they could, and the statement is correct in that sense. Thinking office workers, in Japan.
Gaming came along and also loved their product but the NKR is the same. Typing, you may bump two letters into each other, possibly three, but there is no need for NKR beyond that.
Gaming, you may need to press 4 or 5,commands at once depending on what you play, assuming you use a mouse and don't have any other body part spare, you never need 6 even.
Or that's my understanding of how it works, though I will admit it is a complicated subject."

Personally if I´m buying a 200 euro keyboard I at least want some accurate information, not a bunch of lies.

Edit: Now that I think about it they never said 'Full' n-kro, so I guess their info is accurate after all.
Do you play games that require both your hands on your keyboard?
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post #9912 of 14567
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But what Bruce doesn't understand is that using "N Key Rollover" means full N Key Rollover. I mean, what he needs to understand is that almost every mechanical keyboard that has full N Key Rollover either uses "N Key Rollover" to describe it, or just "NKRO". This is due to what the "N" means in "N Key Rollover"/"NKRO".

So it is still incorrect. He needs to correct it by saying "the key rollover", or "the matrix used provides good key rollover". He also needs to make sure to say somewhere that it's still 6KRO, or 6 Key Rollover. I mean, he needs to say that USB spec limits us to 6 simultaneous key presses plus 4 modifiers.

In other words, he needs to understand the difference between "N Key Rollover" and "6 Key Rollover".
Well, the Topres are NKRO, it's just the USB one are limited to sending six scancodes at once
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post #9913 of 14567
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Well, the Topres are NKRO, it's just the USB one are limited to sending six scancodes at once
But isn't it true that they don't work with a USB to PS/2 adapter? From what I've seen, none of the Topre Realforce boards at EK feature NKRO.
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Isn't there a special adapter you can buy for them that works for USB to PS2 Conversion?
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post #9915 of 14567
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Isn't there a special adapter you can buy for them that works for USB to PS2 Conversion?
Maybe. But is NKRO the end result?
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post #9916 of 14567
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Maybe. But is NKRO the end result?
Over PS/2 then yes it would be.

If I recall, it's like the Deck USB & PS/2 keyboards, your standard passive adapters won't work but special ones will.
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post #9917 of 14567
I'd test my topre but I can't find any adapters at the moment.

If it needs an active adapter, it shouldn't offer any more rollover then USB does.
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post #9918 of 14567
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I'd test my topre but I can't find any adapters at the moment.

If it needs an active adapter, it shouldn't offer any more rollover then USB does.
This.

I mean, if I recall correctly, then I think the only way NKRO is possible over PS/2 is if the keyboard is designed for it.
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Please check the NKRO Wiki.
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So no-one knows anything about this company / us distribution...awesome.
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