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An OEM Key will not work with a Retail Disk.
A Retail Key will not work with an OEM disk.

A 32 bit key will work on a 64 bit disk if it is the same type (OEM key only works with OEM Disk, Retail Key only works with Retail disk, and I know from personal experience a SP1 Retail Key will not work with a pre SP1 disk).

Error 10 had a link on how to get a OEM 64 bit disk somehow.

edit: HERE it is, $30
It sounds like you have some experience here, but I can tell you for sure that when talking about clean Vista installation disks, there is absolutely no difference between the discs, period. If you did an MD5 of a Retail and clean OEM disc, they would be identical. The same applies to the "Anytime Upgrade" discs that might still be floating around. The ONLY thing that makes the difference between Retail, OEM, and Upgrade is the license key you use, period.

However, you may have run into OEM discs that were modified by the OEM. Dell does this to automate the installation process so users don't have to choose a Vista edition or type in the product key, and other OEMs may have done similar things. They do this by using the built-in automated installation tools that come with Vista that also allow corporations to make standard install discs. If you had used one of those discs on a non-Dell system, then you would have activation issues. It is possible to modify those discs to remove this behavior and get back to a mostly clean disc.

After looking at the link to the other thread you posted, I can see how that might be the source of some of this confusion. If you go to the MS site to try to order the replacement disc, it will not accept an OEM key. That is because MS doesn't support OEM editions, and not because the key would not work if you were to try to install with it.
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Originally Posted by blupupher View Post
An OEM Key will not work with a Retail Disk.
A Retail Key will not work with an OEM disk.

A 32 bit key will work on a 64 bit disk if it is the same type (OEM key only works with OEM Disk, Retail Key only works with Retail disk, and I know from personal experience a SP1 Retail Key will not work with a pre SP1 disk).

Error 10 had a link on how to get a OEM 64 bit disk somehow.

edit: HERE it is, $30
Thanks.

Lots of conflicting information here, but error10's link looks like the most hassle-free method. I really don't want to format my laptop HDD only to find that I have to send for a disk afterall, I can't be without my laptop for more than an hour or two.
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Ok wow, I can't believe there is such confusion on this.

Let me lay it down right here. You cannot use an OEM key when installing Vista normally. The key on the bottom of your laptop isn't like the key you get in a retail package. But if you download ABR in the link I posted above, it backs up your activation file, not to be confused with a key. This file is a file Vista makes after it has been activated.

This activation file is identical in both 32/64 versions and can be reapplied to a new install as long as its the same hardware.

I have personally converted my 32bit Vista business install to a 64bit Vista business install using this method and a standard Vista retail disk. You do not need an OEM disk, and you do not need to enter in any key whatsoever.
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It sounds like you have some experience here, but I can tell you for sure that when talking about clean Vista installation disks, there is absolutely no difference between the discs, period. If you did an MD5 of a Retail and clean OEM disc, they would be identical. The same applies to the "Anytime Upgrade" discs that might still be floating around. The ONLY thing that makes the difference between Retail, OEM, and Upgrade is the license key you use, period.

However, you may have run into OEM discs that were modified by the OEM. Dell does this to automate the installation process so users don't have to choose a Vista edition or type in the product key, and other OEMs may have done similar things. They do this by using the built-in automated installation tools that come with Vista that also allow corporations to make standard install discs. If you had used one of those discs on a non-Dell system, then you would have activation issues. It is possible to modify those discs to remove this behavior and get back to a mostly clean disc.

After looking at the link to the other thread you posted, I can see how that might be the source of some of this confusion. If you go to the MS site to try to order the replacement disc, it will not accept an OEM key. That is because MS doesn't support OEM editions, and not because the key would not work if you were to try to install with it.
Well, I have a Pre SP1 Retail 64 bit disk that came with Ultimate, and when I tried to install it on my dads laptop (using the Pre SP1 OEM Basic Key on the bottom of the laptop) it said invalid Key.
I got a 64 bit SP1 OEM disk, and it again said invalid Key. Only once I had a Pre SP1 OEM disk did accept the key.

Same for SP1 and pre SP1 disks. I used my Retail 64 bit Pre SP1 disk and tried a Retail SP1 Key and it said invalid key.
I then checked to see if a Pre SP1 Key would work with the SP1 disk, and it would not.

I can only speak from personal experience, not theory or how it is supposed to be.

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Ok wow, I can't believe there is such confusion on this.

Let me lay it down right here. You cannot use an OEM key when installing Vista normally. The key on the bottom of your laptop isn't like the key you get in a retail package. But if you download ABR in the link I posted above, it backs up your activation file, not to be confused with a key. This file is a file Vista makes after it has been activated.

This activation file is identical in both 32/64 versions and can be reapplied to a new install as long as its the same hardware.

I have personally converted my 32bit Vista business install to a 64bit Vista business install using this method and a standard Vista retail disk. You do not need an OEM disk, and you do not need to enter in any key whatsoever.
Interesting....
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An OEM Key will not work with a Retail Disk.
A Retail Key will not work with an OEM disk.

A 32 bit key will work on a 64 bit disk if it is the same type (OEM key only works with OEM Disk, Retail Key only works with Retail disk, and I know from personal experience a SP1 Retail Key will not work with a pre SP1 disk).

Error 10 had a link on how to get a OEM 64 bit disk somehow.

edit: HERE it is, $30
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post #16 of 22
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Ok wow, I can't believe there is such confusion on this.

Let me lay it down right here. You cannot use an OEM key when installing Vista normally. The key on the bottom of your laptop isn't like the key you get in a retail package. But if you download ABR in the link I posted above, it backs up your activation file, not to be confused with a key. This file is a file Vista makes after it has been activated.

This activation file is identical in both 32/64 versions and can be reapplied to a new install as long as its the same hardware.

I have personally converted my 32bit Vista business install to a 64bit Vista business install using this method and a standard Vista retail disk. You do not need an OEM disk, and you do not need to enter in any key whatsoever.
I'm glad you found my ABR program useful.

The confusion is here because some are referring to the "OEM key" as the key that is preinstalled at the factory, and is technically called an "OEM:SLP key". This is almost never what people mean when they talk about the OEM key, and can only be found using something like the Magical Jellybean keyfinder, which most people are not using. The OEM key that almost everyone means is the one on the sticker on the bottom of the laptop, aka OEM:COA, because it is on the COA label.

OEM:SLP keys are only issued to big manufacturers, like Dell, HP, etc... and are locked to the systems they are installed on by the SLIC table in the BIOS. Smaller OEMs get slightly different keys referred to as OEM:NONSLP, which are not locked to the hardware via the SLIC table and do not work with ABR.

ABR backs up both the OEM:SLP key and the activation certificate, which is why it generates 2 files. If you tried to use the activation certificate and the OEM:COA key, it would not activate, but you can install Vista using the OEM:COA key, and later will need to activate by calling Microsoft on the phone (Internet activation does not work with the OEM:COA key).

The recommended way to install Vista with ABR is to run through the install program without typing in any key in the install program, and when the install is done use ABR to restore the previously backed-up key and activation.
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Ok wow, I can't believe there is such confusion on this.

Let me lay it down right here. You cannot use an OEM key when installing Vista normally. The key on the bottom of your laptop isn't like the key you get in a retail package. But if you download ABR in the link I posted above, it backs up your activation file, not to be confused with a key. This file is a file Vista makes after it has been activated.

This activation file is identical in both 32/64 versions and can be reapplied to a new install as long as its the same hardware.

I have personally converted my 32bit Vista business install to a 64bit Vista business install using this method and a standard Vista retail disk. You do not need an OEM disk, and you do not need to enter in any key whatsoever.
That is not correct. You can use an oem key using a retail disk. How do i know this I have done it. I used the key on the bottom of my hp with and oem copy of vista. Then i used my vista ultimate retail disk to install a clean fresh copy of vista on my notebook. The key and the disk do not matter. I have used retail keys with oem disks and the opposite. As i have copies of both and use whatever is around.

Edit: As for calling Microsoft i think it is hit or miss. I have to call them a couple times and sometimes it activates all by itself.
Edited by b.walker36 - 4/24/09 at 2:39pm
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I'm glad you found my ABR program useful.
Woah, totally didn't realize you were the guy who wrote it, ABR is a lifesaver.
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Uhh... I don't know where you got that from, but retail DVDs are identical to one another (besides of course 32/24bit) They do not deal with activations at all, only the key dictates activations.

Now as far as using it to convert your laptop's OEM install, you will need to backup the config file, install the same edition (premium, ultimate .etc), then apply the config file once again.

Here is a link how to do it http://www.directedge.us/node/24 It's needlessly long, but it contains a lot of useful information. Here is an abbreviated tutorial with the download for the program http://directedge.us/content/abr-act...up-and-restore
Microsoft... So excuse me for trying to help i forgot, you people are rude around here.
Edited by SlicketyRickety - 4/25/09 at 4:41am
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Hers a link proving that they deal in activations OP, since you so rudely ignored my post and mister now it all step in with his crap.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar..._to_bit-tech/1
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