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like to comment on this..i do admit that i may not be good in OC'ing but its still not an excuse from the samples here not to try at least 1 working setup..if its the chip to blame then AMD has alot of explaining and guiding to do since this is a mislead info about the Deneb..it should have been "Cherry picked" lolx..ive read alot and tried alot..but nothing seems to defy the OCing of this chip..and i have made a 9950BE run at 3.5Ghz and as emersonc's comment a lame 200 or 400 even a par 700 raise is just lame..
All I really can and have to say is NO 2 CPU's are the same, The best Cpu's seem to come from the center of the wafer.

As far as Guaranteed 3.9+ on air no that is just wrong, Now up to 3.9+ on air is correct.

The only Guarantee is that the CPU will Run at it's Default Specifications... with possibly the opportunity to go up to 3.9+ on Air.

As Far as Your 9950 goes...You were a lucky one to get one up to 3.5ghz there is alot of people stuck at 3.0ghz.

I am not sticking up for AMD....But they have no explaining to do at all...they owe us nothing.


Some OC High and reach the projected possibility of 3.9+

and some OC less

And as long as the CPU is not DOA the 940's arrive at 3.0ghz


Either way I can understand your frustration ( I have been there before) but you have a couple options which you and only you can decide what to do.
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and those are? :-D
    
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All I really can and have to say is NO 2 CPU's are the same, The best Cpu's seem to come from the center of the wafer.

As far as Guaranteed 3.9+ on air no that is just wrong, Now up to 3.9+ on air is correct.

The only Guarantee is that the CPU will Run at it's Default Specifications... with possibly the opportunity to go up to 3.9+ on Air.

As Far as Your 9950 goes...You were a lucky one to get one up to 3.5ghz there is alot of people stuck at 3.0ghz.

I am not sticking up for AMD....But they have no explaining to do at all...they owe us nothing.


Some OC High and reach the projected possibility of 3.9+

and some OC less

And as long as the CPU is not DOA the 940's arrive at 3.0ghz


Either way I can understand your frustration ( I have been there before) but you have a couple options which you and only you can decide what to do.
And no, no two CPUs are the same, how ever at the two shows that i found that AMD hosted, they had to packs of Denebs, i do believe 6 in each pack, and they were used by the teams to get these overclocks. Seems to me they had to hand pick ones they KNEW would work and wouldnt work as to not embarass themselves. It was a marketing ploy that suckered alot of people into believing they finally got it right. Yet review after review after review from 3rd party sites as well as SO MANY users here alone, all have the same issue: Not getting what we were promised.
    
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Apparently PowerStrip has 3705 GHz.
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I noticed that I am in the database with incomplete information on the basis of my earliest post - I updated with additional information subsequently. I've made a few more system tweaks since then, and here's a summary of where I'm at now:

Phenom II x4 940 black (revision RB-C2)
Max Prime95 stable overclock with current hardware - 3.6 ghz via
18.0 multiplier
1.8ghz HT-Link and NB clock
Cpu voltage +0.100v
memory voltage +0.100v
all other voltages and timings manually set to stock values
memory 2x2gb ddr2 800 stock left at stock timings 5-5-5-15-24
stock cooler
os XP 32 bit sp3

I posted a screenshot on p. 127 of the thread with cpu-z and a short prime95 run earlier. Let me know if I should do anything else to provide information to update my database entry.

As a general note, everyone has the right to decide for themselves what their expectations are and what they want to be satisfied and its too bad when a chip doesn't perform up to them - but it seems to me like the general performance of the Phenom II 940 is pretty good. I suppose AMD did create some high expectations, but most people are able to achieve a stable overclock on air of around 3.5-3.8ghz which is nothing to complain about, in my opinion. The video linked a little while back shows some of the world's best overclockers getting 3.9 ghz on air but using the crysis time demo to test, which is a lot easier to pass than prime95, so I don't see a lot of misrepresentation going on, especially given the nature of a marketing video.
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I noticed that I am in the database with incomplete information on the basis of my earliest post - I updated with additional information subsequently. I've made a few more system tweaks since then, and here's a summary of where I'm at now:

Phenom II x4 940 black (revision RB-C2)
Max Prime95 stable overclock with current hardware - 3.6 ghz via
18.0 multiplier
1.8ghz HT-Link and NB clock
Cpu voltage +0.100v
memory voltage +0.100v
all other voltages and timings manually set to stock values
memory 2x2gb ddr2 800 stock left at stock timings 5-5-5-15-24
stock cooler
os XP 32 bit sp3

I posted a screenshot on p. 127 of the thread with cpu-z and a short prime95 run earlier. Let me know if I should do anything else to provide information to update my database entry.

As a general note, everyone has the right to decide for themselves what their expectations are and what they want to be satisfied and its too bad when a chip doesn't perform up to them - but it seems to me like the general performance of the Phenom II 940 is pretty good. I suppose AMD did create some high expectations, but most people are able to achieve a stable overclock on air of around 3.5-3.8ghz which is nothing to complain about, in my opinion. The video linked a little while back shows some of the world's best overclockers getting 3.9 ghz on air but using the crysis time demo to test, which is a lot easier to pass than prime95, so I don't see a lot of misrepresentation going on, especially given the nature of a marketing video.
I would love to be able to BOOT into that to even TRY to run any benchmarking utility. The face is that it BSODs upon boot. Ive tried different vid cards, power supplies, vists 32/64 AND XP 32/64. All have same reults: no OS load to even test.
    
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Not getting what we were promised.

No Where Have I ever heard them "Promise" anything.

I understand your mad...But being Mad doesn't do yourself any good.


Your options are:

1. Attempt to get an RMA ( and if the new one is no better, it's probably not the chip).

2. Attempt to sell the cpu...and get yourself another or keep the money


3. Break it ...any way you see fit


4. Live with it and use it


By the way what are your temps at? and ambient
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room temps are around 68-69F. Idle temps are around 35, load is about 45.
    
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I just added up the main list for Wc'ing and Air and the average OC for the 940's on our site is 3.853ghz.


So in general from 45 chips that were counted the average chip is indeed a decent OC'er.


Would it be possible to get Pics of all your bios settings? or maybe you list them?


Your load temp is what i am getting on air when running 1.47-1.5V
Edited by XxBeNigNxX - 3/12/09 at 8:06am
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Wow. I will no longer support another AMD/ATI product. Here was the results of my call:

I called AMD tech support and asked them why my chip was not performing they way it was advertised. He promptly cut me off and stated AMD does not support, condone, or in anyway advertise overclocking so he can not help me. I said really, i have a bunch of links that i can send you of videos and web pages produced by YOUR company stating what an amazing overclocker this processor was and all the headroom it has. Your company had set up shows showing the overclocking ability these processors have. He then repeated that AMD has never and never will condone overcloking. I stated once again why is it on your product page even now its states its an amazing overclocker and prags of its overclocking headroom? Or the fact it has an unlocked multiplier so it can be overclocked. He then rudely asked me if i had any actualy problem or did i just call to harass him? I then stated im not harrassing you, im looking for answers and a replacement. I paid for a product advertised to do something, and its not doing what it was advertised to do, its within its three year warranty, i want a replacement. I was then hung up on.
    
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