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I have read glowing reviews about the Schiit Bifrost DAC and wanted to test the external vs internal debate so I ordered a Bifrost and have been A/Bing it the past two days with my TiHD. After hours of listening to all sorts of artists and recording quality I cannot find a single difference in sound between the two DACs. Schiit has a 15 day return policy so the Bifrost will be going back. I will need an external DAC for my listening/reading room so I will get the ODAC and make a wood enclosure that matches the Crack.
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Originally Posted by Draygonn View Post

I have read glowing reviews about the Schiit Bifrost DAC and wanted to test the external vs internal debate so I ordered a Bifrost and have been A/Bing it the past two days with my TiHD. After hours of listening to all sorts of artists and recording quality I cannot find a single difference in sound between the two DACs. Schiit has a 15 day return policy so the Bifrost will be going back. I will need an external DAC for my listening/reading room so I will get the ODAC and make a wood enclosure that matches the Crack.

Schiit doesn't seem to be making impressive products.

Can't wait for the ODAC.
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I have read glowing reviews about the Schiit Bifrost DAC and wanted to test the external vs internal debate so I ordered a Bifrost and have been A/Bing it the past two days with my TiHD. After hours of listening to all sorts of artists and recording quality I cannot find a single difference in sound between the two DACs. Schiit has a 15 day return policy so the Bifrost will be going back. I will need an external DAC for my listening/reading room so I will get the ODAC and make a wood enclosure that matches the Crack.

Well, that confirms my suspicions that expensive DACs are a load of baloney compared to a sound card. Stick with my STX, I will.
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Well, that confirms my suspicions that expensive DACs are a load of baloney compared to a sound card. Stick with my STX, I will.

Cheap external DACs can be better because they don't pick up the interference from inside the case and have a cleaner line out signal and more connectivity, but the expensive ones are definitely not worth it.
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Right, external is an advantage because you get isolation from all sorts of EMI from computer components. It's probably only going to be worse for a typical OCN build, which has one or more power-hungry dedicated graphics cards and all the fast-switching high-current electronics associated with those, not to mention power-hungry CPUs.

External using USB power is something of a small disadvantage for a DAC because the USB +5V / GND is going to be dirty. It certainly doesn't help for the digital signaling lines and other I/O to be so close, and noisy stuff on the motherboard to be so close to the ports. However, you just need to filter the power a bit to alleviate that issue; furthermore, modern chips have very good power supply rejection ratio anyway.

An external DAC using USB power also for the headphone amp is even more of a disadvantage because just 5V is not much to work with. Also, with unbalanced power rails, how are you going to generate an output that's centered at 0V? The typical solution is just to use some specialized dedicated headphone chip that uses its own charge pump to generate a virtual negative rail, and/or use a DC blocking capacitor on the output. DC blocking caps on these small devices roll off the bass response and introduce some distortion, so it's not ideal.

But you can easily have an external unit that uses power from the wall. Also, for some additional cost and complexity, you can do DC-DC conversion off of USB power only, among other things. CEntrance DACPort ($300) is small, USB-powered only, and does 3V rms output on the headphone amp very cleanly, so it definitely can be done:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/centrance-dacport-usb-headphone-amplifier-measurements


The main advantage of internal sound cards has more to do with the companies making them, rather than any engineering constraint: Asus, Auzentech, Creative, and so on, actually employ some competent engineers and may have some background in hardware design, PCB layout, manufacturing (particularly Asus). They sell a lot of product, and thus production costs are brought down. They tend to go for cost-effective solutions rather than the "solutions" and buzzwords that audiophiles prefer. Contrast this to the world of audiophile snake-oil vendors, which comprise a whole lot of the expensive external market (with exceptions like CEntrance above and so on, which tend to also make competent products on the A/D side used in the pro audio world). You're paying more for the extra connectivity in most internal sound cards, but you're also paying less because of all these other factors. Additionally, a lot of the cost for these external units is the fancy chassis and not actually the electronics and lack of honest design work that went in.
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I got in my replacement dt770 headband pad on friday for my Alessandro MS1's. Comfort wise, I fell asleep listening to the baseball game this afternoon, so definitely worth it.

Beyer kills you on shipping pricing, though.

Now here's hoping HiFiMan starts shipping out the 2nd batch HE-400 tomorrow.
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I have read glowing reviews about the Schiit Bifrost DAC and wanted to test the external vs internal debate so I ordered a Bifrost and have been A/Bing it the past two days with my TiHD. After hours of listening to all sorts of artists and recording quality I cannot find a single difference in sound between the two DACs. Schiit has a 15 day return policy so the Bifrost will be going back. I will need an external DAC for my listening/reading room so I will get the ODAC and make a wood enclosure that matches the Crack.

I also read a comparison against the xonar stx... pretty much the same from what i read.
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Do I qualify? This is what I currently have.

At work:
- Sony MDR-V6
- HeadRoom Total BitHead
- Waiting for AKG K550

For iPhone:
- Shure E2C
- Etymotic HF3
- EA PA2V2 (waiting for K550)

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- ATH AD700
- AKG K701
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edit my entry to add a pair of Grado 125i
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Sorry for the lack of updates, I have been very busy. Will update this soon!thumb.gif
 
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