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IMO, those with Denons that are praising them either have not tried anything else or are trying to justify their purchase as it is a very expensive one and I have to think many users have a great degree of regret.
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Originally Posted by Simca View Post

IMO, those with Denons that are praising them either have not tried anything else or are trying to justify their purchase as it is a very expensive one and I have to think many users have a great degree of regret.

Well same could be said for people who just don't like the look, and thus automatically assume and make judgements.

I haven't made any assumptions about the new line.

The two that I do have however:
-NCW500
-C400 earphones

Both are good, respectively, but the price is well over-done.

I would pay maybe £200-250 for the NCW's not £400 or £300
and I would pay around £200 for the C400's (if I've got a faulty model that said) - if not, and if the bass is really like this, then no more than £50, as my £30 UE350's out-do them in bass QUALITY let alone quantity.
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I've tried everything at the Apple Store except the Sennheiser Momentum (my local store doesn't have it) and the D600 beats all of them as far as sound and comfort go. The harman/kardon NC which I have now comes close in sound quality but pretty much requires NC to be on if you want bass (their NC comes with something like a +5dB bass boost, without it they have even less bass than an AD700) and the comfort is awful, this thing clamps like a vice and the leather ear pads get hot quickly and are too narrow.

So in a way the new Denons could be "the best of the worsts" if you want to put it that way. They are set out to compete with the stuff at Apple Store, not the likes of HD800 or LCD-2. They're for rich people who wants to buy a good set of headphones for their iPhones and PCs, and not have to worry about amps, DACs and the like. If you care about sound quality alone of course you'll be disappointed - they certainly don't bring anything new to the table. And while we are talking about overpricing stuff, Grado has been doing it for years and getting away with it. Denon doesn't seem to try to maintain retail prices like Sennheiser does either, so their MSRPs are not that big of a deal at least in the US.
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I've tried everything at the Apple Store except the Sennheiser Momentum (my local store doesn't have it) and the D600 beats all of them as far as sound and comfort go. The harman/kardon NC which I have now comes close in sound quality but pretty much requires NC to be on if you want bass (their NC comes with something like a +5dB bass boost, without it they have even less bass than an AD700) and the comfort is awful, this thing clamps like a vice and the leather ear pads get hot quickly and are too narrow.

So in a way the new Denons could be "the best of the worsts" if you want to put it that way. They are set out to compete with the stuff at Apple Store, not the likes of HD800 or LCD-2. They're for rich people who wants to buy a good set of headphones for their iPhones and PCs, and not have to worry about amps, DACs and the like. If you care about sound quality alone of course you'll be disappointed - they certainly don't bring anything new to the table. And while we are talking about overpricing stuff, Grado has been doing it for years and getting away with it. Denon doesn't seem to try to maintain retail prices like Sennheiser does either, so their MSRPs are not that big of a deal at least in the US.

I think there is a reason behind that though.
Grado are one of the oldest (correct me if I'm wrong) headphone companies.

When it comes to earphones though...their earphones really didn't sell that well - simply put, they sucked, at least the GR8's did.
I might have paid £100 for them, not the crazy £280 or so they were asking.
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I don't like the sound though. That's the thing. It wasn't impressive, especially at $400. I didn't care about the looks. They look OK to me. I'm not taking any points off for looks. If that's the way they want to go, good for them. They can sell to hippity hop children and hipsters.

They don't outperform the headphones that took up their prior price range..and in fact these are more expensive than those so...really a disappointment.
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I think there is a reason behind that though.
Grado are one of the oldest (correct me if I'm wrong) headphone companies.

When it comes to earphones though...their earphones really didn't sell that well - simply put, they sucked, at least the GR8's did.
I might have paid £100 for them, not the crazy £280 or so they were asking.

Denon: 1910
Sennheiser: 1945
Beyerdynamic: 1924
Audio Technica: 1962
Grado: 1955

So no, they are not exactly one of the oldest companies out there.

The Grado IEMs do seem like a poor attempt by Grado to approach the portable market though.
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Won't happen, but Grado should attempt a new headphone design.
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Yeah I can definitely see your point.
I judge by audio quality too, just that in few occasions, looks are something to mention.

Has to be said though that most audio gear, when adding a little extra adds so much to the msrp.
Ie the old range...I mean just for a set of wooden cups, and a better insulated and made wire you were looking to spend an extra £200..
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I just sold some used electronics, and now I'm looking into getting a new set of headphones. They're supposed to go with my Fiio E7 amp, and will mostly be used on my computer. When I'm traveling, I'll be taking the E7 amp with me though, along with my headphones. I've been looking at the HD558 and ATH M-50's. Which one's are best? I'll be using my headphones for everything. Gaming, music, movies. You name it. I listen to rock, for the most part. I've read that the M-50's are the best on the market in that price range, but the HD558 honestly seems more appealing to me for unapparent reasons. What would you do in my situation?

TL;DR:

Sennheiser HD558 or ATH M-50's to go with an Fiio E7 amp for combined daily use? Any other suggestions?
 
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well I am. most of my family are audiophiles or home theater enthusiast. none of us are into car, marine or portable audio. home audio only. I like a listening room.

That's one hell of a setup thumb.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post

Yeah I can definitely see your point.
I judge by audio quality too, just that in few occasions, looks are something to mention.

Has to be said though that most audio gear, when adding a little extra adds so much to the msrp.
Ie the old range...I mean just for a set of wooden cups, and a better insulated and made wire you were looking to spend an extra £200..

Companies really do under estimate the value of looks sometimes. Beats success is partially fueled by the looks (Obviously Dr.Dre has a big part of it too, but looks don't hurt.), and the same goes with Bose and V-Moda's Crossfade LP. None of those headphones sound all that good, but sell well, and are in the Apple store partly because of looks. If a company wants to sell portable headphones, looks have to be decent.

If you guys wouldn't mind, would you swing by my audio stuff appraisal thread? It'd be appreciated smile.gif
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