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Nobody's questioning your experiences, perceptions, etc. you want to share. Please continue.

Where we get into trouble is when we toss out explanations for what's happening. If explanations don't hold water, then they should be discussed and modified. It's never personal attacks, I hope, just working with ideas and information. I toss out so many explanations that many are certain to be wrong too, so anybody who knows better should be fixing those as well. I try to hold higher standards for myself than I do for other people. Talking about "wrong", "misleading" is mostly about general situations. Don't mean to single anyone out.

I don't think you can just call them opinions. Certain explanations for how systems (e.g. digital logic, motors, tornadoes, audio reproduction) work can pretty much be labeled "wrong". If I were to say that AMD GPUs run faster with AMD CPUs because of some kind of synergy, that statement would hopefully be ridiculed, for example. If I were to say that Pentium 4 has low IPC because of the long pipeline, I would hopefully be corrected that there are plenty of other factors as well. Music appreciation is very subjective, as is perception of sound, but audio reproduction gear / psychoacoustics / circuits / etc. fall into rigorously-studied fields of science and engineering.

Differences in IEM sound due to insertion depth, tips, and so on, are known. There is a lot of data on headphone or IEM samples of the same model sounding different (not always by any significant amount for every pair of samples, but it isn't exactly rare). This is both by people's listening impressions and by the measurements.

Is wanting a little more accountability offensive? This isn't about you or me, but anybody reading OCN and expecting to get good information.

I personally think it is. As instead of trying to understand someone perception, or someone's opinion, you are instead telling them that they are wrong or misleading others.
I'm no audiophile, unlike some - however I do value my opinion when it comes to IEM recommendations. By that I mean, when i recommend earphones - there's a reason behind it.
Anyway, fact of the matter is - I can't say the world is flat, as it just isn't - but I can say that 1 earphone was different from the other due to burn-in. Again, matter of opinion (even though I'm being quite kind here, as I know the facts of what I heard and experienced)

If I were making this up, just to back up my claim of "burn-in exists" then I would slap myself. Simply put.
I don't lie, nor am dishonest when I write reviews, share thoughts, tell people my opinions. I go based on what I know and my experiences, which leads to the main point of what I was trying to say. I base it on my own opinions, and express my thoughts through forums.
I used to argue quite a bit on head-fi, about certain earphones etc, now looking back, I laugh at myself for being that person.
Why waste time arguing, when I could be gaming? lol

Anyway - I've "wasted" more effort than I need to speaking of this subject. Believe what you want.
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, or we'll just have to agree to disagree on certain parts, or whatever else. I very rarely expect to offend other people.


I think the most important thing for everybody to understand is this:

Our perception of sound is influenced by many factors, one of which is the sound hitting our eardrums. That is not the only factor, and all factors may be more difficult to control and more significant than you might expect.


The interpretations and ramifications there should be evident enough; the last thing I want to do is to prattle on in a manner befitting a worst example of a freshman psychology student, so I'll leave it at that. Of course I can't comment on whatever it is you perceive, but we do have some decent working models and explanations for what causes changes in sound waves. If these are seriously in question, they can and should be discussed.
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Originally Posted by razr m3 View Post

I'd like to be added to the club biggrin.gif I've got the ATH-M50 and the DT 770 Pro 80.

How do the M50s compare to the 770s?

Side note:

Broke out my FiiO E11 and hooked it up to my Razr M yesterday. Set the EQ(bass) to 1, and sat back to enjoy the ride. Best listening experience to date. Can't wait to get my S3 now for the supposedly 'much better' sound quality.
 
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What's your current source that makes you excited about the s3?
I suggest rooting and putting siyahs kernel on it to get better audio quality too.
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What's your current source that makes you excited about the s3?
I suggest rooting and putting siyahs kernel on it to get better audio quality too.

I wish I could have that famous Wolfson DAC, but I've heard the sound from the S3 is pretty great. And I'm using a Motorola Razr M as my current source. The audio quality actually isn't bad. Bright, but not bad. Certain people have complaints with really low impedance headphones/IEMs, but I don't. It's been a fantastic phone overall.
 
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How do the M50s compare to the 770s?

Side note:

Broke out my FiiO E11 and hooked it up to my Razr M yesterday. Set the EQ(bass) to 1, and sat back to enjoy the ride. Best listening experience to date. Can't wait to get my S3 now for the supposedly 'much better' sound quality.

770s are better than the M50s in every way, sound-wise, in my opinion. I do like how the M50s seal better and are more portable, but for home use, 770s all the way.
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770s are better than the M50s in every way, sound-wise, in my opinion. I do like how the M50s seal better and are more portable, but for home use, 770s all the way.

Similar sound signatures, though?
 
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In that case you'll love the s3 smile.gif
Remember what I said about that kernel though smile.gif
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In that case you'll love the s3 smile.gif
Remember what I said about that kernel though smile.gif

Will do. It's the first phone that I'll have ever rooted and ROM'ed lol. My GNex is stock (love stock/vanilla Android), Razr M is so close to stock it's not even necessary, and my Nexus 7 is stock, too. I did use it the other day, though, and TouchWiz wasn't toooo bad. I may just use it for a week or so to get used to it, see what features I may want to keep (if any), and then root and ROM it.
 
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Similar sound signatures, though?

Somewhat similar, yeah.

To me, the bass sounded nearly identical, I didn't spent a whole lot of time listening to the bass though. The mids on the DT770s sound way more full and "meatier". The M50's mids sounded rather thin. The highs were what put me off the M50s. They were very harsh, and quite sibilant in many of my songs, and overpowered the mids (maybe that's why they sounded thin to me?). The DT770s are nowhere near as sibilant, much smoother highs that fit much better into the spectrum without having too much presence. I couldn't listen to many cymbal-heavy songs on the M50s without discomfort.

For reference, these are a couple of the songs I used to compare:
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