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Pun on the use of the word "sound"? tongue.gif

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I haven't yet decided whether to be happy.

what don't you like?
    
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Oh yeah, there's also a dirty secret there in the product page about the Asgard 2.
gains and some tech talk (Click to show)
6x (~15.5 dB) high gain, 1.5x (3.5 dB) low gain. How do you reduce gain on an active amplifying device? *gasp* *world explode* Feedback, 12 dB of it, to turn the gain from 15.5 dB to 3.5 dB. In the past, they've put out class A designs with no overall / global feedback, which is fashionable in audiophile circles. Of course, that's how it operates with high gain, but they're making a concession of sorts for the low gain. So maybe I should call them out (facetiously) for betraying their principles, whatever they are? I'm not really a conspiracy theorist though. I don't think it's really "principles" as much as what they like to do.

Historically and even these days, negative feedback has a bad rap in some audio circles, despite very widespread usage and acceptance in all other fields of electronics and control theory, and so on, proven benefits for audio, etc. One of the criticisms for audio is that even though it reduces nonlinear distortion, it increases higher-order nonlinear distortion, like 4th / 5th / 6th and so on harmonics. That's true, up to a certain point. It's also true that higher-order nonlinear distortion sounds worse than lower-order distortion, especially second harmonics. But use enough feedback and all the distortion is reduced, among other benefits.

12 dB is not much and potentially in the range where the angry mob might actually have a point. When some people are saying feedback is good for audio, they're talking about more than 12 dB.

It's likely that distortion prior to the feedback is pretty low anyway, and this is all irrelevant. Just a curiosity.
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First, they seem bass anemic, even compared to my AD700's.
Second, they have a different sense of being in a room than the AD700's. Difficult to explain.

OTOH acoustic guitar sounds better than ever.

Sold my graphics card so my main PC and thus my sound card are non-functional at the moment. I haven't tried the headphones out of my laptop because my high quality music is on the main rig, but I doubt it'd sound any good.
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First, they seem bass anemic, even compared to my AD700's.
Second, they have a different sense of being in a room than the AD700's. Difficult to explain.

OTOH acoustic guitar sounds better than ever.

Sold my graphics card so my main PC and thus my sound card are non-functional at the moment. I haven't tried the headphones out of my laptop because my high quality music is on the main rig, but I doubt it'd sound any good.

As written in my HE-400 guide somewhere, stock they have adequate bass..more than even DT880s..but the wonderful thing with them is you can STRONG EQ them without degeneration...so turn the bass UP on your EQ and enjoy the magic.

You ~do~ have an amp for them though, right?
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Update: Pictures!

I see a Shiit Lyr but I don't see the Shiit Bifrost.
What kind of DAC are you using atm?
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As written in my HE-400 guide somewhere, stock they have adequate bass..more than even DT880s..but the wonderful thing with them is you can STRONG EQ them without degeneration...so turn the bass UP on your EQ and enjoy the magic.

You ~do~ have an amp for them though, right?

I do not have an amp yet, but I want an O2.
I thought EQ'ing up was a bad idea. Aren't you supposed to EQ other frequencies down?

EDIT: After comparing the two directly, I admit that the HE-400 has bass in songs where the AD700 doesn't. Still limited by my laptop though.
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As written in my HE-400 guide somewhere, stock they have adequate bass..more than even DT880s..but the wonderful thing with them is you can STRONG EQ them without degeneration...so turn the bass UP on your EQ and enjoy the magic.

You ~do~ have an amp for them though, right?

I do not have an amp yet, but I want an O2.
I thought EQ'ing up was a bad idea. Aren't you supposed to EQ other frequencies down?

EDIT: After comparing the two directly, I admit that the HE-400 has bass in songs where the AD700 doesn't. Still limited by my laptop though.

I could not more strongly recommend against getting headphones like the HE-400s without proper equipment. The HE-400s should never be used without a headphone amp. Using them further without a proper DAC or even a soundcard and not properly EQing them just gives you an awful listening experience.

You have 2 choices. Immediately sell the HE-400 and recoup as much money as possible and getting a headphone that does not require amping or immediately purchase an amp, a dac and learn to EQ them appropriately.

You're stabbing yourself in the eye from every corner.

The HE-400s terminate in a 1/4" adapter, where are you plugging this into?
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I could not more strongly recommend against getting headphones like the HE-400s without proper equipment. The HE-400s should never be used without a headphone amp. Using them further without a proper DAC or even a soundcard and not properly EQing them just gives you an awful listening experience.

You have 2 choices. Immediately sell the HE-400 and recoup as much money as possible and getting a headphone that does not require amping or immediately purchase an amp, a dac and learn to EQ them appropriately.

You're stabbing yourself in the eye from every corner.

The HE-400s terminate in a 1/4" adapter, where are you plugging this into?

The HE-400's terminate in a 1/8" plug with a 1/4" adapter, I am plugging this into a typical headphone output.
I do have a sound card.
How do you learn to EQ "appropriately"? It's up to the user's preference how he EQ's.
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I could not more strongly recommend against getting headphones like the HE-400s without proper equipment. The HE-400s should never be used without a headphone amp. Using them further without a proper DAC or even a soundcard and not properly EQing them just gives you an awful listening experience.

You have 2 choices. Immediately sell the HE-400 and recoup as much money as possible and getting a headphone that does not require amping or immediately purchase an amp, a dac and learn to EQ them appropriately.

You're stabbing yourself in the eye from every corner.

The HE-400s terminate in a 1/4" adapter, where are you plugging this into?

The HE-400's terminate in a 1/8" plug with a 1/4" adapter, I am plugging this into a typical headphone output.
I do have a sound card.
How do you learn to EQ "appropriately"? It's up to the user's preference how he EQ's.

I received only 1/4" adapter, but Ok.

Didn't you say in OP that your rig is being chopped apart and sold off or something which is why you're not using a sound card? If you're not using the sound card, but have one, then you're not using the soundcard, nothing has changed. Sure you may not need to go out and get another (depends what sound card), but you're not using it now...or are you? I could have speed read over that portion.

It's partially user preference, yes...but you can also completely ruin the EQ by doing whatever you want with the EQ. The HE-400 is not a headphone that wants frequencies dropped. Only area that should ever consider being dropped is that spikey 8kish range and you could leave that alone if you raise other frequencies.

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Look at the graph of the HE-400s. You'll see that there are many dips that you'll want to EQ up and for those areas that are spikey, you may want to consider EQing those down..but the bass is something you want to EQ up.. I added the HE-500 here so you can see what you want your EQ you look like generally...the HE-500 isn't perfect and could also use a bump in the bass region a bit, but that's a much better looking line than the HE-400s.

But like I said, you're doing yourself an extreme disservice running these without an amp...

What made you buy the HE-400s without an amp? Who told you to do that? Did you research them before purchasing? I don't mean to sound condescending, but when you're dropping 400 for a headphone..you should put a little research into it.
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I see a Shiit Lyr but I don't see the Shiit Bifrost.
What kind of DAC are you using atm?

I am using an ODAC.
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