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I agree that the HE-400's aren't headphones to just plug and play - bit like the HD800's and the Audeze's they need amps to really shine through. EQ too, makes them better suited for certain tastes.
What Simca is saying is that with high-end headphones, one needs to know how to help them shine their brilliance.

My D2K's are cheaper and thus don't really need an amp - with that said with the EHP-O2D they shine a bit more, and for my tastes my "EQ" comes though the Digizoid ZO2 amp, which adds that lovely bass shattering feeling.
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Originally Posted by Simca View Post

I received only 1/4" adapter, but Ok.

Didn't you say in OP that your rig is being chopped apart and sold off or something which is why you're not using a sound card? If you're not using the sound card, but have one, then you're not using the soundcard, nothing has changed. Sure you may not need to go out and get another (depends what sound card), but you're not using it now...or are you? I could have speed read over that portion.

It's partially user preference, yes...but you can also completely ruin the EQ by doing whatever you want with the EQ. The HE-400 is not a headphone that wants frequencies dropped. Only area that should ever consider being dropped is that spikey 8kish range and you could leave that alone if you raise other frequencies.

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Look at the graph of the HE-400s. You'll see that there are many dips that you'll want to EQ up and for those areas that are spikey, you may want to consider EQing those down..but the bass is something you want to EQ up.. I added the HE-500 here so you can see what you want your EQ you look like generally...the HE-500 isn't perfect and could also use a bump in the bass region a bit, but that's a much better looking line than the HE-400s.

But like I said, you're doing yourself an extreme disservice running these without an amp...

What made you buy the HE-400s without an amp? Who told you to do that? Did you research them before purchasing? I don't mean to sound condescending, but when you're dropping 400 for a headphone..you should put a little research into it.
Revision 2 which I have, and likely all later revisions, terminates in a 1/8" plug.

No, I said that I sold my graphics card. I already bought a new one, just waiting for delivery.

I have not EQ'd my headphones. I was just questioning your method.

I am an avid user of Head-Fi and the general idea is that while the HE-400 scales with amps, it will perform decently with minimal amplification like what I have in my sound card and excel with a proper amp. What I get with my sound card is representative of the sound signature so buying an amp before determining if the headphones suit me would be an unnecessary risk.
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I received only 1/4" adapter, but Ok.

Didn't you say in OP that your rig is being chopped apart and sold off or something which is why you're not using a sound card? If you're not using the sound card, but have one, then you're not using the soundcard, nothing has changed. Sure you may not need to go out and get another (depends what sound card), but you're not using it now...or are you? I could have speed read over that portion.

It's partially user preference, yes...but you can also completely ruin the EQ by doing whatever you want with the EQ. The HE-400 is not a headphone that wants frequencies dropped. Only area that should ever consider being dropped is that spikey 8kish range and you could leave that alone if you raise other frequencies.

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3651&graphID[]=3241
Look at the graph of the HE-400s. You'll see that there are many dips that you'll want to EQ up and for those areas that are spikey, you may want to consider EQing those down..but the bass is something you want to EQ up.. I added the HE-500 here so you can see what you want your EQ you look like generally...the HE-500 isn't perfect and could also use a bump in the bass region a bit, but that's a much better looking line than the HE-400s.

But like I said, you're doing yourself an extreme disservice running these without an amp...

What made you buy the HE-400s without an amp? Who told you to do that? Did you research them before purchasing? I don't mean to sound condescending, but when you're dropping 400 for a headphone..you should put a little research into it.
Revision 2 which I have, and likely all later revisions, terminates in a 1/8" plug.

No, I said that I sold my graphics card. I already bought a new one, just waiting for delivery.

I have not EQ'd my headphones. I was just questioning your method.

I am an avid user of Head-Fi and the general idea is that while the HE-400 scales with amps, it will perform decently with minimal amplification like what I have in my sound card and excel with a proper amp. What I get with my sound card is representative of the sound signature so buying an amp before determining if the headphones suit me would be an unnecessary risk.

That doesn't make sense since how can you determine if the headphone suits you if you're not running it appropriately. Any top tier headphone will surely disappoint you if you're not running it on an amp.

Thing with an amp is once you have it, you can almost use it with every headphone you get from here on out unless it requires more power or doesn't quite match up with the headphone you've got. So it wouldn't be a waste of money, unless you ultimately plan on getting a headphone that doesn't need an amp..in which case it would be a waste of money.

As a frequent head-fi user, I have to say...come on.. You should definitely have known not to buy this headphone without an amp. I have revision 3.5 of the HE-400s which fixes some of the issues with the Rev 2 including taming the highs.

I'll only say it one more time..you cannot judge a headphone accurately if you're not using it appropriately. You should be using a headphone amp with headphones that need them. The HE-400 is one that needs them.

You can try EQing the headphone though and see if it helps you any. I would assume it should. Perhaps after properly EQing them you might like them. I can't say for sure though as I've never used the HE-400s without an amp..couldn't even if I wanted to. My cables terminate in 6.3mm.
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Revision 2 which I have, and likely all later revisions, terminates in a 1/8" plug.

No, I said that I sold my graphics card. I already bought a new one, just waiting for delivery.

I have not EQ'd my headphones. I was just questioning your method.

I am an avid user of Head-Fi and the general idea is that while the HE-400 scales with amps, it will perform decently with minimal amplification like what I have in my sound card and excel with a proper amp. What I get with my sound card is representative of the sound signature so buying an amp before determining if the headphones suit me would be an unnecessary risk.

EQ is for you to alter typically the frequency and gain of your audio output. Simca is saying that the he-400 can boost its bass much higher through the use of EQ without discernible quality loss.

There are different qualities of DAC. The one in a sound card is typically crappier than a standalone DAC as an audio source. Music sounds a lot worse from my xonar dg and xfi xtrememusic when compared to my odac.

Does a he400 need an amp to sound serviceable? No. Does it need an amp to sound good? Absolutely. Just because you don't NEED an amp does not make it a good idea to not use one. I suggest that you see if you can borrow one and see how it improves.
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What I get with my sound card is representative of the sound signature so buying an amp before determining if the headphones suit me would be an unnecessary risk.

Absolutely agree with that. You might just not be liking the sound signature.
I would say give them a chance before saying no.
I thought that about the C400 earphones at first, but after wearing them for 2 weeks, and nothing else, I got used to their flat like signature - but still realised I preferred the PFE232's sound more, as it works better for the type of music I like smile.gif
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Absolutely agree with that. You might just not be liking the sound signature.
I would say give them a chance before saying no.
I thought that about the C400 earphones at first, but after wearing them for 2 weeks, and nothing else, I got used to their flat like signature - but still realised I preferred the PFE232's sound more, as it works better for the type of music I like smile.gif

Can you really tell a sound signature without proper amping for a he400?
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Can you really tell a sound signature without proper amping for a he400?

An amp only really amplifies what you are already hearing. The sound signature will stay the same.
I've never seen the appeal of having to listen to headphones that NEED an amp. For me that's just an inefficient headphone.

However, as said before some headphones are well COMPLEMENTED by a nice amp. It is never, in my opinion to need to have an amp listening to a certain headphone.
HaZard is very right in saying what he said - if he is not liking the sound signature and more so can't justify buying an amp JUST for the HE400's- what's the point in digging a bigger hole for himself?
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