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So between the Schiit Magni/Modi stack and the JDSL O2+ODAC, which is the better investment? $85 more isn't that bad, and if it's a substantial difference I'd totally shell that out.
 
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Can you really tell a sound signature without proper amping for a he400?

An amp only really amplifies what you are already hearing. The sound signature will stay the same.
I've never seen the appeal of having to listen to headphones that NEED an amp. For me that's just an inefficient headphone.

However, as said before some headphones are well COMPLEMENTED by a nice amp. It is never, in my opinion to need to have an amp listening to a certain headphone.
HaZard is very right in saying what he said - if he is not liking the sound signature and more so can't justify buying an amp JUST for the HE400's- what's the point in digging a bigger hole for himself?
because if his opinion is the he400s have barely if any more bass than ad700s then hes in fact not hearing the signature of the headphone. There is almost no reason to have the he400 if bass is not a strong concern. Like i said though. Eq the bass. I believe you can even do a plus 18 boost which is insane before audible degredation begins. I dont recommend pkus 18 though. Just do it to test the headphones eqing potential then lower til it sounds right.
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because if his opinion is the he400s have barely if any more bass than ad700s then hes in fact not hearing the signature of the headphone. There is almost no reason to have the he400 if bass is not a strong concern. Like i said though. Eq the bass. I believe you can even do a plus 18 boost which is insane before audible degredation begins. I dont recommend pkus 18 though. Just do it to test the headphones eqing potential then lower til it sounds right.

I did add that I have to admit the bass is there.
Is the Fiio E10 enough for the HE-400 or should I go for the O2?
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I know, I read but the difference should be blaringly obvious.
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An amp only really amplifies what you are already hearing. The sound signature will stay the same.
I've never seen the appeal of having to listen to headphones that NEED an amp. For me that's just an inefficient headphone.

However, as said before some headphones are well COMPLEMENTED by a nice amp. It is never, in my opinion to need to have an amp listening to a certain headphone.
HaZard is very right in saying what he said - if he is not liking the sound signature and more so can't justify buying an amp JUST for the HE400's- what's the point in digging a bigger hole for himself?

My understanding is that proper amping reduces distortion and increases the ability to hear greater detail at lesser volume. My subjective experience is that my k701 sounds a lot better with the o2 than with the DG. Am I wrong?
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post #12986 of 37820
All this ruckus has made me put away my HE-500s for a day and move back to the HE-400s.

Which pads are you using btw? The leathers should have more bass and the velour's should be more comfortable. Currently have the velours on mine.
Edited by Simca - 2/10/13 at 12:03pm
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Hey, I know what would get your mind off the ruckus; answering my question! biggrin.gif
 
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Hey, I know what would get your mind off the ruckus; answering my question! biggrin.gif

There's a difference between the two, but whether it's worth spending the extra 85 is not something I can determine for you unfortunately.

That said, I just put my HE-400s back on and I have to admit, these are noticeably lighter...but the way the headband rests on my head is completely different. The HE-500s headband is broken in better and has more flex to it. It disperses the weight evenly all the way across. The HE-400s headband is brand new and still a tiny bit stiff. It's putting most of it's weight on one area on my head.
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Okay, listening to my HE-400s again and my god..if you can't notice the bass with these then you really really need an amp. The following is a quick EQ. Not the absolute best way to have it set up, but good enough to enjoyably listen to music. You can try it out and see if it works for you.



Take notice that the preamp is a bit lower than 0. This is necessary to avoid distortion. The amp would come in handy here to raise volume of these headphones normally. You'll want to EQ the bass up to around this level though. Some may consider this "strong" EQ'ing and on normal headphones, they would be, but the HE-400 can stand strong EQ unlike most headphones.

The DT880s were whimps They cried at the slightest EQ changes. The HE-400s are champs.

Listen to this song and tell me if you still think your HE-400s are close to the AD700s in terms of bass.
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So between the Schiit Magni/Modi stack and the JDSL O2+ODAC, which is the better investment? $85 more isn't that bad, and if it's a substantial difference I'd totally shell that out.

O2+ODAC has a legitimate technical advantage in some respects (that people will not argue) for running more-sensitive headphones and IEMs. It has lower noise and has a gain switch, for more usable volume control settings. If you'll ever use some of those, you may want that. If something somehow is wrong with the O2 and you have access to soldering equipment, there is plenty of documentation and info available to fix something.

Otherwise, you can go with the Magni+Modi if you want.

And nobody said you had to use either of these as a combo. If you don't need something that's USB, you can just run an internal sound card's line output to either amp.


P.S. if you are running O2 with ODAC and don't plan to use other sources, ask for 1x / 3.5x gains when you buy. There's no good reason to get anything else, unless for whatever reason you won't use full-scale output of the ODAC. Full-scale ODAC output with any gain higher than 3.5x will cause clipping, no matter what you set the O2 volume control to.
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