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I guess the first TH-600 review is up.. if you can call it that thinking.gif

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Originally Posted by HPE1000 View Post

I have owned probably 10 pairs of their earbuds which died in 2 weeks to a couple months, and the skullcandy headphones snapped in a month.
Really? I've owned all of those headphones for over a year, and they are showing signs of wear, but they hold up. I just take good care of my stuff, but not implying that you don't.
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For you customer cable owners, is there any practical reason at all to choose a custom silver cable outside of looks?
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For you customer cable owners, is there any practical reason at all to choose a custom silver cable outside of looks?

There is a sound difference.

I can't and I'm not technical enough to let you know the differences of copper vs silver nor what the different 5N vs 3N etc stand for silver (apart from quick googling)

For me, as a user, an an audio enthusiast, the silver cables sound "cleaner" - brings out the mids more than copper does.
A hybrid of copper and silver is the cheap man's silver cable (what I had before)

I've gone ahead and ordered some custom ear tips & a custom silver 5N interconnect from Custom Art, almost like the ones I got from 1964ears (however they didn't fit me properly):
http://www.totallydubbed.net/2012/12/01/1964-slv-universal-iem-custom-sleeves-for-phonak-audeo-pfe-232/

Here's the FB page:
http://www.facebook.com/thecustomart?fref=ts

Piotr, the person in charge has been an absolute pleasure to deal with. Can't wait to get my cable and ear moulds in!
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For you customer cable owners, is there any practical reason at all to choose a custom silver cable outside of looks?

Some say that there is a difference, others say that there isn't. Electrically the signal will travel differently on different mediums, so on paper there should be a difference. Up to the user to determine if there is a difference for them.
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I'm not an owner**, but...

The reason why antennas, power distribution lines, circuit boards, electronic instrumentation, etc., etc., all work out in the real world and do what we want, is that the current understanding of electricity and models for cable behavior is understood well enough to describe the behavior.

Properties of the cable geometry—materials being a secondary concern unless you choose something that really doesn't conduct well—change the electrical properties of the cable, sure. But how much does that impact signals going through?

At audio frequencies (not going to be higher than 20 kHz or so, generally), at moderate lengths (say a few meters), for the voltages and currents involved particularly for headphones (not that great; speaker currents can be a lot higher), and so on, there is really not much in terms of the cable parameters to impact the signal in any significant way. You'd need to intentionally create a bad cable. Or on the flip side: if there's an amp out there that is so sensitive to the exact nature of the load and the cable used, that it performs differently, do you want this trash anyway?

That's not to say there's no effect, but usually (possibly not always, particularly with speaker-level signals) one would think the magnitude of changes is small enough not to be noticeable. And less than many other things, like the effect from positioning headphones on your head slightly differently (like what happens every time you wear them). An exception might be if you're using very thin cables for IEMs with very low but widely-varying impedance due to crossovers and so on. There the resistance of the cable could be a factor, like it sometimes is for speaker runs.


There are plenty of differences in terms of weight, malleability, aesthetics, microphonics, etc.

edit: **though I do own and have used cheap extension cords, have done cable repairs before, and not heard anything different. Aren't there usually more differences in sound between solutions on the low end than on the high end?
Edited by mikeaj - 2/19/13 at 10:04am
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Alright I think I know my answer. Thanks guys! If I do become extravagantly wealthy one day, I swear I am going to have a private listening room with an entire wall full of different high end headphones and a few different amps!
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Alright I think I know my answer. Thanks guys! If I do become extravagantly wealthy one day, I swear I am going to have a private listening room with an entire wall full of different high end headphones and a few different amps!

It may be a placebo (and seem contrary to what I said earlier), but I swear there is a difference with my K240s between the stock cable and the cable I made using Mogami W2893 and Redco/Amphenol connectors.

I haven't done any A/B'ing, but I swear I hear a difference.
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I guess the first TH-600 review is up.. if you can call it that thinking.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/products/fostex-th600-dynamic-headphones/reviews/8476

That was absolutely pathetic. That was a waste of time writing and an even larger waste reading. Doesn't sound like he used it at all.
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For you customer cable owners, is there any practical reason at all to choose a custom silver cable outside of looks?

I wrote about this a few pages ago..I didn't want to believe silver cable had better sound to it, but at least IMO it does..

I describe my Silver HE-500 cable vs the black canare 4S6 cable as being smoother, less jagged, less congested sounding. You really have to listen for it though. It's not super obvious. It's also not impossible to hear. If you listened to a song a day ago and then tried the same song a day later with two different cables..you would probably not notice the difference. If you listen to them back to back, I can assure you (at least with the two cables at hand) that there is a difference..one worth spending a few dollars for. Paying hundreds of dollars for this extra clarity? Yeah, I don't think so..but if you can keep the price cheap...under 150 max..and preferably under 100..I think it may be worth it FOR THE USER WITH A HIGH END HEADPHONE (400+ dollar headphone). I would not recommend a silver cable for those with headphones cheaper than 400. Not worth the money..you're better off buying a better headphone with the money.

But like I said..with the Canare cable.music sounded "Jagged" With the silver cable, the jagged music smoothed out and became less congested sounding. Better instrument separation.

Some people say it helps bring out vocals..brings out the mids..helps tame the highs...yeah..I don't know about that...that's not what I pulled from the two cables..Perhaps the mids sounded better..but it was the minute details in the music that made the largest difference to me. The smoothness of music is what the difference was.
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That was absolutely pathetic. That was a waste of time writing and an even larger waste reading. Doesn't sound like he used it at all.
I wrote about this a few pages ago..I didn't want to believe silver cable had better sound to it, but at least IMO it does..

I describe my Silver HE-500 cable vs the black canare 4S6 cable as being smoother, less jagged, less congested sounding. You really have to listen for it though. It's not super obvious. It's also not impossible to hear. If you listened to a song a day ago and then tried the same song a day later with two different cables..you would probably not notice the difference. If you listen to them back to back, I can assure you (at least with the two cables at hand) that there is a difference..one worth spending a few dollars for. Paying hundreds of dollars for this extra clarity? Yeah, I don't think so..but if you can keep the price cheap...under 150 max..and preferably under 100..I think it may be worth it FOR THE USER WITH A HIGH END HEADPHONE (400+ dollar headphone). I would not recommend a silver cable for those with headphones cheaper than 400. Not worth the money..you're better off buying a better headphone with the money.

But like I said..with the Canare cable.music sounded "Jagged" With the silver cable, the jagged music smoothed out and became less congested sounding. Better instrument separation.

Some people say it helps bring out vocals..brings out the mids..helps tame the highs...yeah..I don't know about that...that's not what I pulled from the two cables..Perhaps the mids sounded better..but it was the minute details in the music that made the largest difference to me. The smoothness of music is what the difference was.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Simca! When I am ready to order a cable, I will consult with the great minds here again.
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