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Usually, if benchmarked, tested to be worse than cheap(er) stuff, but yeah.
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Originally Posted by friend'scatdied View Post

Better something with concrete measurable and perceptible performance over "audiophile" DACs and amplifiers that tend to be slathered in snake oil.

Of course! Frequency response, decibels, impedance, voltage, and other audio facets can never be measured in scientific terms! They are myths... All myths!
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Anyway, I think the point is that people do not necessarily rate higher the audio products with better measurable performance in all the standard tests and parameters, particularly beyond a certain level. In fact, in audiophile communities this is frequently the case.

Consequently, if you ask people how they would define better performance or something that sounds better, they (often) can't really come up with concrete measurable benchmarks that would separate the good from the great or even the good from the bad.

So are the preferences really based on differences in electrical or acoustic waves produced (how to define these differences, which are better?), or are perceptions and preferences formed based on other factors?
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Anyway, I think the point is that people do not necessarily rate higher the audio products with better measurable performance in all the standard tests and parameters, particularly beyond a certain level. In fact, in audiophile communities this is frequently the case.

Consequently, if you ask people how they would define better performance or something that sounds better, they (often) can't really come up with concrete measurable benchmarks that would separate the good from the great or even the good from the bad.

So are the preferences really based on differences in electrical or acoustic waves produced (how to define these differences, which are better?), or are perceptions and preferences formed based on other factors?

Many preferences are based on actual sonic differences that are measurable, but they're still preferences. You can have a sonically "accurate" headphone, but some people don't want accurate, they want something that accentuates bass and mid frequencies, and will forego products that benchmark "better" in favor of something that they think sounds nicer.

Some characteristics are not measurable or we don't know how to measure them yet, and have to rely on subjective testing. Things like soundstage fall into this.
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A good dac won't be obsolete in a few years. DACs can be measured too wink.gif

More like decades, and this has been true for decades. tongue.gif
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Many preferences are based on actual sonic differences that are measurable, but they're still preferences. You can have a sonically "accurate" headphone, but some people don't want accurate, they want something that accentuates bass and mid frequencies, and will forego products that benchmark "better" in favor of something that they think sounds nicer.

Some characteristics are not measurable or we don't know how to measure them yet, and have to rely on subjective testing. Things like soundstage fall into this.

You can have something that is measurably different but not perceivably different in practice. The human ear is not as sensitive as some would like to believe.

It's not that we don't know how to measure it, it's that we don't know which of the measurements to read and ascribe. This is not a measurability problem, this is a linguistics problem.
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Not sure if anyone can help, but its worth a stab. I own HA-RX700s that i have burned in and used for over a year now... I want an album of a series of songs that have a really wide and clear soundstage so I can do some tweaking to my DSP algorithms and to show off the sound quality for the price kind of thing. Any suggestions that I should particularly look into? I have Elton John's greatest hits in FLAC and those songs are fairly good but I want something with multiple instruments other than a piano solo.

I honestly dont have a preference of what genre it is either, it could be opera music for all i care.
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Any orchestral music will do what you're looking for.
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Any orchestral music will do what you're looking for.

Two steps from hell? Probably not too orchestral to be honest..
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Two steps from hell? Probably not too orchestral to be honest..

I believe the London Phil and Tokyo Phil have put out albums involving video game soundtracks (if that's your thing).
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I believe the London Phil and Tokyo Phil have put out albums involving video game soundtracks (if that's your thing).

Sounds like that could work, thanks for the suggestion thumb.gif
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