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Get the AD2000/X's cheap at ~$350ish or spend the extra 500+ for the W3000ANV. W1000X doesn't have the mids you're looking for, too much mid bass.

IIRC the RWA Bellina is multiple thousand dollars...so...not sure you should be purchasing that.

Don't bother spending hundreds on an amp for the AD2000X. It doesn't need a brilliant amp. It runs fine enough as is. You can drive the mid range a bit better with one, but you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars doing so. If you have the cash to do that you may as well spend it on going to the W3000ANV.

2 Ways to approach Audio Technica headphones. 1) go Tube for a warm lush mid range. 2) Go silent noise floor amp so you avoid any graininess in silent areas of recordings. You have to decide what's more important to you and how many silent areas are in the music you listen to.

I don't know what amp would sound good with AD2ks, but I assume the O2 with a low gain 1X or an M³ would be suitable for it.
So the O2 + ODAC combo works fine with the AD2000X and W3000ANV? I'll probably go tube amp, but never heard of silent noise floor amp. Anyone else with suggestions for amp + DAC? I see only 2 people so far who made good suggestions and are audiophiles. Guess I need to ask elsewhere or search myself for information on headphone amps + DACs for these headphones.
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So the O2 + ODAC combo works fine with the AD2000X and W3000ANV? I'll probably go tube amp, but never heard of silent noise floor amp. Anyone else with suggestions for amp + DAC? I see only 2 people so far who made good suggestions and are audiophiles. Guess I need to ask elsewhere or search myself for information on headphone amps + DACs for these headphones.

I'd probably try the AD2000X thread on HeadFi, but be weary of people that have only tried 1 amp on the headphone. They'll say theirs sounds good, but if they have nothing to compare it to, it's sort of a moot point.
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Can be added? Razer Kraken Pro's biggrin.gif Loving them every day thumb.gif
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I'll be ordering a pair soon. I'm getting the shadow model.

i ordered white silver, guitar center had a $50 off spring sale and they said they were getting them in the same day the v-moda website was which is around the 28th so i went with them. They look great, come with lots of extras and you can actaully buy a nice detactable boom mic.

Apparently the head of the company thought more people would buy the matte black model then the other colors or something, i would of gotten black but the orange cables are meh
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Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post

So the O2 + ODAC combo works fine with the AD2000X and W3000ANV? I'll probably go tube amp, but never heard of silent noise floor amp. Anyone else with suggestions for amp + DAC? I see only 2 people so far who made good suggestions and are audiophiles. Guess I need to ask elsewhere or search myself for information on headphone amps + DACs for these headphones.

Some amplifiers (especially certain exotic audiophile types) have output noise levels that are relatively high, as a result of the circuit design and electronics used. Compared to many other models of fullsize expensive headphones, the Audio-Technica headphones mentioned are relatively sensitive, meaning that for a given electronic input, they produce a louder sound. If there is significant electronic noise sent to the headaphones, you will hear noise out of the headphones.

A lot of tube amps, particularly cheaper models, may have higher noise levels than many other amps. Their other properties may or may not be desirable. The O2 is an example of a relatively inexpensive specs-first amp that's designed for reaching max audio benchmark scores at a given price point, so it has extremely low noise levels—inaudible, at least for the vast majority of situations and headphones. As a result, with some headphones some people say they really like the sound (or at least they think they do); others prefer something else (likewise). It would be considered a "silent noise floor amp", if you want to put it that way.

To be honest, at least at the lower amp price points, you aren't really going to find tube amps with low output impedance and the ability to drive low-impedance headphones all that well. Quality audio output transformers are expensive. I'd forget tubes unless you get a hybrid amp with a solid-state output stage. And even then, it's more like a novelty item or something to keep in your arsenal of multiple amps if you like the headphone + amp mix/match game.

Pretty much for amps and DACs most people just recommend what they use, for better or worse. IMHO you shouldn't necessarily take most suggestions and impressions that seriously.

Also note that audio product pricing doesn't really match actual needs as much as markets. People with disposable income like gadgets, and I do too. Anyway, just because you have relatively expensive headphones doesn't mean that you necessarily need to up the price of your other audio components. In any case, I'd recommend listening to the headphones for a while before dropping a lot of cash on accessories to go with it.
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Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post

So the O2 + ODAC combo works fine with the AD2000X and W3000ANV? I'll probably go tube amp, but never heard of silent noise floor amp. Anyone else with suggestions for amp + DAC? I see only 2 people so far who made good suggestions and are audiophiles. Guess I need to ask elsewhere or search myself for information on headphone amps + DACs for these headphones.

I personally use an ODAC + Lyr combo. If you are going tube, I suggest a tube hybrid amp to allow yourself greater future compatibility with headphones. OTL tube amps are really meant for high impedance headphones. That being said, I understand the Bottlehead Crack is a great tube amp. I've also seen some great reviews on the new WA7 amp that was just released by Woo Audio.

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Before ultimately settling on the Lyr, I had also considered the Vahalla and WA3 as well.
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Yes that is my EQ. And yes, I'm actually equalising it (my DT880/600 to diffuse field equalisation frequency response curve), not bumping up bass to 11.
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Some amplifiers (especially certain exotic audiophile types) have output noise levels that are relatively high, as a result of the circuit design and electronics used. Compared to many other models of fullsize expensive headphones, the Audio-Technica headphones mentioned are relatively sensitive, meaning that for a given electronic input, they produce a louder sound. If there is significant electronic noise sent to the headaphones, you will hear noise out of the headphones.

A lot of tube amps, particularly cheaper models, may have higher noise levels than many other amps. Their other properties may or may not be desirable. The O2 is an example of a relatively inexpensive specs-first amp that's designed for reaching max audio benchmark scores at a given price point, so it has extremely low noise levels—inaudible, at least for the vast majority of situations and headphones. As a result, with some headphones some people say they really like the sound (or at least they think they do); others prefer something else (likewise). It would be considered a "silent noise floor amp", if you want to put it that way.

To be honest, at least at the lower amp price points, you aren't really going to find tube amps with low output impedance and the ability to drive low-impedance headphones all that well. Quality audio output transformers are expensive. I'd forget tubes unless you get a hybrid amp with a solid-state output stage. And even then, it's more like a novelty item or something to keep in your arsenal of multiple amps if you like the headphone + amp mix/match game.

Pretty much for amps and DACs most people just recommend what they use, for better or worse. IMHO you shouldn't necessarily take most suggestions and impressions that seriously.

Also note that audio product pricing doesn't really match actual needs as much as markets. People with disposable income like gadgets, and I do too. Anyway, just because you have relatively expensive headphones doesn't mean that you necessarily need to up the price of your other audio components. In any case, I'd recommend listening to the headphones for a while before dropping a lot of cash on accessories to go with it.

Mike once again saved me the time of writing the same exact thing. Listen to him. There's a lot of fuzz and 'ricing' headphones going on in the headphone audiophile world.
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Reading Tyll's AMA:
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As mentioned in another post here, there will be an InnerFidelity headphone measurement comparison tool similar (but better, I hope) than the HeadRoom Build-A-Graph. Once it's up and running it will have the ability to allow you to choose an HRTF. CHoices at first will be: none (just the raw data), Diffuse Field; Independent of direction (the one currently used); and then one I make up as a guess as to what might be correct. I've also talked to Sean Olive at Harman, he's developing one, and I might be able to talk him into letting me use it.

That I am highly looking forward to.
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Yes that is my EQ. And yes, I'm actually equalising it (my DT880/600 to diffuse field equalisation frequency response curve), not bumping up bass to 11.

Somewhere in japan, the CEO of stax is laughing.
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