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2 questions:

What is the true difference between the Grado SR60i and SR80i? I'm trying to decide on a Grado model, and I think I'm going to get one of these 2. I know I can mod them, and I likely will, but I still want to know which one will be better.

Second question:

What would be a decent portable DAC/Amp? Not too expensive, but feel free to recommend anything. I was contemplating the E07K with the L1, L3, or L9 cable. I will initially be using it (for music) with an old iPhone, but eventually with a newer Android phone (Note (1, 2, 3), S4, Xperia Z; whichever is better at the time). Will be using it with my DT770s as well as my Grados.
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Originally Posted by liquidzoo View Post

2 questions:

What is the true difference between the Grado SR60i and SR80i? I'm trying to decide on a Grado model, and I think I'm going to get one of these 2. I know I can mod them, and I likely will, but I still want to know which one will be better.

Second question:

What would be a decent portable DAC/Amp? Not too expensive, but feel free to recommend anything. I was contemplating the E07K with the L1, L3, or L9 cable. I will initially be using it (for music) with an old iPhone, but eventually with a newer Android phone (Note (1, 2, 3), S4, Xperia Z; whichever is better at the time). Will be using it with my DT770s as well as my Grados.

I just got an E07K last week and so far it's great. Well worth the money. It works great as a USB DAC for my Galaxy SIII. If you're going to use it with any Android device I suggest finding a micro to mini usb cable. I'm still waiting for mine to show up and right now I have to use the 3 foot usb cable that came with the E07K into an OTG adapter to use it with my phone. It's really annoying.
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Originally Posted by liquidzoo View Post

2 questions:

What is the true difference between the Grado SR60i and SR80i? I'm trying to decide on a Grado model, and I think I'm going to get one of these 2. I know I can mod them, and I likely will, but I still want to know which one will be better.

Second question:

What would be a decent portable DAC/Amp? Not too expensive, but feel free to recommend anything. I was contemplating the E07K with the L1, L3, or L9 cable. I will initially be using it (for music) with an old iPhone, but eventually with a newer Android phone (Note (1, 2, 3), S4, Xperia Z; whichever is better at the time). Will be using it with my DT770s as well as my Grados.

I wouldn't even bother with those two. If you get the Allesandro Music series 1, you will essentially get a slightly better grado SR80i for about the same price.

If you want a direct answer, I believe the SR80i has different drivers.
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post #14004 of 38794
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Some amplifiers (especially certain exotic audiophile types) have output noise levels that are relatively high, as a result of the circuit design and electronics used. Compared to many other models of fullsize expensive headphones, the Audio-Technica headphones mentioned are relatively sensitive, meaning that for a given electronic input, they produce a louder sound. If there is significant electronic noise sent to the headaphones, you will hear noise out of the headphones.

A lot of tube amps, particularly cheaper models, may have higher noise levels than many other amps. Their other properties may or may not be desirable. The O2 is an example of a relatively inexpensive specs-first amp that's designed for reaching max audio benchmark scores at a given price point, so it has extremely low noise levels—inaudible, at least for the vast majority of situations and headphones. As a result, with some headphones some people say they really like the sound (or at least they think they do); others prefer something else (likewise). It would be considered a "silent noise floor amp", if you want to put it that way.

To be honest, at least at the lower amp price points, you aren't really going to find tube amps with low output impedance and the ability to drive low-impedance headphones all that well. Quality audio output transformers are expensive. I'd forget tubes unless you get a hybrid amp with a solid-state output stage. And even then, it's more like a novelty item or something to keep in your arsenal of multiple amps if you like the headphone + amp mix/match game.

Pretty much for amps and DACs most people just recommend what they use, for better or worse. IMHO you shouldn't necessarily take most suggestions and impressions that seriously.

Also note that audio product pricing doesn't really match actual needs as much as markets. People with disposable income like gadgets, and I do too. Anyway, just because you have relatively expensive headphones doesn't mean that you necessarily need to up the price of your other audio components. In any case, I'd recommend listening to the headphones for a while before dropping a lot of cash on accessories to go with it.
Seems to be true. It is more of marketing research with trial and error to find out. Might as well stick with buying the AD2000X or W3000ANV (used if possible).
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Originally Posted by OC'ing Noob View Post

I personally use an ODAC + Lyr combo. If you are going tube, I suggest a tube hybrid amp to allow yourself greater future compatibility with headphones. OTL tube amps are really meant for high impedance headphones. That being said, I understand the Bottlehead Crack is a great tube amp. I've also seen some great reviews on the new WA7 amp that was just released by Woo Audio.

Better look into hybrid amps later down the road. Any DAC recommendations to pair with either AD2000X ot W3000ANV?
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What equalizer is that from? Wish I had that much control over my EQ. Stuck with 10 bars. :\

I could never get away with EQ'ing the DT880s very well. It was such a crybaby when it came to EQing. The slightest change made it scream in agony.
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What equalizer is that from? Wish I had that much control over my EQ. Stuck with 10 bars. :\

I could never get away with EQ'ing the DT880s very well. It was such a crybaby when it came to EQing. The slightest change made it scream in agony.
Looks like foobar foo_dsp_xgeq plugin:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=88505

Not the default EQ built into the player, but a plugin written by somebody else.


On a side note, there may be some arguments against diffuse-field equalization for headphones. I don't think there's a strong consensus there. Also, a relatively sharp, complicated EQ requires a more complicated filter (higher order), which may have more time-domain ringing. I think. Maybe I need to hit the DSP books again.

Also, are DT880 really like 9 dB down from diffuse field, at 2.5 kHz?
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Yeah, nvm. I hate Foobar.
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So my 650 ownership hasn't started off too smoothly. Bought them off a friend and didn't think of trying them, being that we were meeting up in town and I only would have had my phone with me, got home and plugged them in, only sound out of one side redface.gif Did some swapping/testing back and forth and found the 650's cable to be faulty, set them up with the HD25's cable, it looks hilarious and isn't ideal I'm sure (sound quality wise) but at least they're working.

On the plus side, they sound excellent to me running through my M38 and they are very very comfy too, been wearing them 4-5 hours at a time while working at the PC and I barely notice them on my head. New cable being ordered tomorrow and I'll be a happy customer biggrin.gif
    
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Originally Posted by liquidzoo View Post

2 questions:

What is the true difference between the Grado SR60i and SR80i? I'm trying to decide on a Grado model, and I think I'm going to get one of these 2. I know I can mod them, and I likely will, but I still want to know which one will be better.

Second question:

What would be a decent portable DAC/Amp? Not too expensive, but feel free to recommend anything. I was contemplating the E07K with the L1, L3, or L9 cable. I will initially be using it (for music) with an old iPhone, but eventually with a newer Android phone (Note (1, 2, 3), S4, Xperia Z; whichever is better at the time). Will be using it with my DT770s as well as my Grados.

I recently bought a pair for my girlfriend's Dad and had to re-ask the same question.

The difference is apparently better matched (think binned) drivers and the better pads. The 'comfies' give more bass apparently, but I couldn't remember to be able to tell a difference. You could always go with the SR60i to see if you like the Grado sound, but with the SR80i, at least you get the 'better' pads and matched drivers. The MS1 is also a great direction to take, too. The 325is I have compliment my Beyers perfectly.
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Somewhere in japan, the CEO of stax is laughing.

The only Stax product that ahere's to diffuse field equalisation is the Lambda Pro (and that's with a hardware EQ add-on).
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