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Great; thanks for all of the info! What is a decent DAC to pair with the Lyr? I've heard good things about using the Fiio E9.

Avoid fiio at all costs.

On the low end you have the schiit modi for 100 bucks. It is good for 100 bucks, but not great.

Then you have the O2 dac. Again, cheap, but efficient.

Schiit gungnir: Slightly better than the O2 for a lot more $$$ but schiit just started to offer upgrades for this dac sooooo it might be worth it to get the dac and the upgrade.

Jolida tube dac. Awesome......just awesome.

There are just so many options.

IDK where you are located, but if you go onto head-fi.com and look for a local meet in your area, it would be a great opportunity to try out some gear and see what you like.
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How!? I don't see that on any of the deals threads. I don't think I've ever seen the Q701 for less than $200 brand new.
But the diffuse sound field of the HD 650 is so small and hardly diffuse!

We are talking like.....mmmmm 3 years ago I think? There was a sale through amazon with some obscure company. It did not look like a good idea to buy through them, but since amazon usually protects you from crappy resellers I went ahead and bought them. Sure enough a couple days later I had NIB Q701s for 170.

As for the sound field, I believe you are talking about sound stage? Even still I didn't notice a difference. The HD650s are actually well known to have a large sound stage. Plus they aren't as harsh and they have a bit fuller sound.
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Great; thanks for all of the info! What is a decent DAC to pair with the Lyr? I've heard good things about using the Fiio E9.

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Avoid fiio at all costs.

On the low end you have the schiit modi for 100 bucks. It is good for 100 bucks, but not great.

Then you have the O2 dac. Again, cheap, but efficient.

Schiit gungnir: Slightly better than the O2 for a lot more $$$ but schiit just started to offer upgrades for this dac sooooo it might be worth it to get the dac and the upgrade.

Jolida tube dac. Awesome......just awesome.

There are just so many options.

IDK where you are located, but if you go onto head-fi.com and look for a local meet in your area, it would be a great opportunity to try out some gear and see what you like.

Plus the Fiio E9 is a headphone amplifier, not a DAC.
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Plus the Fiio E9 is a headphone amplifier, not a DAC.

Lol. I just saw "fiio" and stopped right there. rolleyes.gif
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We are talking like.....mmmmm 3 years ago I think? There was a sale through amazon with some obscure company. It did not look like a good idea to buy through them, but since amazon usually protects you from crappy resellers I went ahead and bought them. Sure enough a couple days later I had NIB Q701s for 170.

As for the sound field, I believe you are talking about sound stage? Even still I didn't notice a difference. The HD650s are actually well known to have a large sound stage.

September 24, 2011 by any chance? You lucky dog. tongue.gif It's okay though, I was the guy who bought the HD 650s on November 1, 2009 in a similar situation (don't think I'll ever be able to stop bragging about this).


Really? The 650 drivers aren't angled, are pretty close to the ears, and the midbass and midrange on the 650s in general are swamp-thick. I thought the HD 650's sound field was narrower than that of the DT 770, A900X, W1000X and barely larger than the HF-2's.
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Avoid fiio at all costs.

On the low end you have the schiit modi for 100 bucks. It is good for 100 bucks, but not great.

Then you have the O2 dac. Again, cheap, but efficient.

Schiit gungnir: Slightly better than the O2 for a lot more $$$ but schiit just started to offer upgrades for this dac sooooo it might be worth it to get the dac and the upgrade.

Jolida tube dac. Awesome......just awesome.

There are just so many options.

IDK where you are located, but if you go onto head-fi.com and look for a local meet in your area, it would be a great opportunity to try out some gear and see what you like.

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Is this the Jolida DAC you are talking about? It is rather expensive; all together, that would be a $700 pair of headphones, with $900 worth of DAC and preamp :O I probably couldn't fit a custom loop, and a Case Labs case, in there, along with the audio equipment, under $2500. How is the Schiit Bitfrost? In comparison to the Jolida, is the Schiit Gungnir worth $400 more? Sorry for all of the questions - I just want to handle the $2500 well smile.gif

Well the jolida is different than an average dac. It also acts as a tube buffer. To be honest, I have not heard a better dac below the 1K mark. This dac is more open than the gungnir IMHO.

Also, I got the gungnir and the bitfrost backwards. I mean to be talking about the bitfrost.

You are fine to be asking questions BTW.

Everything from schiit is over priced. Flat out, I think their prices are highway robbery with the exception of the magni/modi. So when you ask me if I think the gungnir is worth the extra money, my answer is going to be &%#&^% no tongue.gif

The only way I think schiit starts to become good is because it is rather easy to find their stuff for sale used. You could very well find the lyr for 300 and the HE-500s for 500 bucks. The jolida is hard to find used, but since it can go head to head against entry level audio note dacs I really think it is worth the money.
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September 24, 2011 by any chance? You lucky dog. tongue.gif It's okay though, I was the guy who bought the HD 650s on November 1, 2009 in a similar situation (don't think I'll ever be able to stop bragging about this).


Really? The 650 drivers aren't angled, are pretty close to the ears, and the midbass and midrange on the 650s in general are swamp-thick. I thought the HD 650's sound field was narrower than that of the DT 770, A900X, W1000X and barely larger than the HF-2's.

That sounds about right

Also, the HD650s get a boost form tube amps, but the Q701s just LOVE tubes. If I were to listen to each headphone on something like the O2, then yeah I see a difference. With a good tube amp, not a whole lot of difference. Don't get me wrong. Yes, there are differences, but would it be worth the extra money? I really have to say it is not worth it. It is a much better investment to go with either used HD600s and try and get the better points of the HD650s at a lower price, or to spend the extra money and get the HE-500s.

Essentially, I feel like they are WAY overpriced.
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Great; thanks for all of the info! What is a decent DAC to pair with the Lyr? I've heard good things about using the Fiio E9.

There are good options, besides the O2 and modi.

Examples, HRT streamers and/or W4S Udac.
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Well the jolida is different than an average dac. It also acts as a tube buffer. To be honest, I have not heard a better dac below the 1K mark. This dac is more open than the gungnir IMHO.

Also, I got the gungnir and the bitfrost backwards. I mean to be talking about the bitfrost.

You are fine to be asking questions BTW.

Everything from schiit is over priced. Flat out, I think their prices are highway robbery with the exception of the magni/modi. So when you ask me if I think the gungnir is worth the extra money, my answer is going to be &%#&^% no tongue.gif

The only way I think schiit starts to become good is because it is rather easy to find their stuff for sale used. You could very well find the lyr for 300 and the HE-500s for 500 bucks. The jolida is hard to find used, but since it can go head to head against entry level audio note dacs I really think it is worth the money.

Alright, I think I have it figured out, now. Since you meant the Bitfrost, and not the Gungnir, that lowers prices. Still, for the price, and your acclaim, I will probably be going for the Jolida; it's about $480, from what I've seen, but when paired with a used Schiit Lyr (found several for $300), and a used pair of HE-500s (still looking for used ones; could you point me in the right direction?), then I should be able to squeeze everything in, along with a custom loop, and a Case Labs M8, into a $2500 budget. Thanks for all of the help! smile.gif
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Arch Linux 64-bit Asus 24" 1920x1080 LED Rosewill 9000 w/ MX Blues Seasonic X650 
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Scratch build test bench Logitech G600 black Xtrac Ripper XXL 2x Corsair AF 140mm quiet edition case fans 
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Promilatech PK-1 
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**Possibly used** HifiMan HE-500 headphones **USED** Schiit Lyr headphone amp Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC EK Nickel CSQ 680+ Waterblock 
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2x Aplhacool NexXxos UT60 360mm full copper rad... 6x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1450 RPM fans 10 meters of 12mm OD nickel plated copper pipe,... 
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4770k Asus Maximus VI Impact Audeze LCD-2 Woo Audio WA3  
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Jolida Tube FX DAC 
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i7 3770k MAXIMUS V FORMULA EVGA 680 FTW+ 4GB  16GB (2x8GB) G.SKILL Trident X 2400mHz CL10 1.65V 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD Seagate SV35.5 2TB 64MB cache 7200 RPM HDD LG blu-ray R/W Heatkiller CU 3.0 Nickel/Black 115X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Swiftech MCP355 w/ Petra's Mod Top Undecided radiator config 12mm OD push fittings, and E22 12mm acrylic tubing Slackware 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Arch Linux 64-bit Asus 24" 1920x1080 LED Rosewill 9000 w/ MX Blues Seasonic X650 
CaseMouseMouse PadOther
Scratch build test bench Logitech G600 black Xtrac Ripper XXL 2x Corsair AF 140mm quiet edition case fans 
Other
Promilatech PK-1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
**Possibly used** HifiMan HE-500 headphones **USED** Schiit Lyr headphone amp Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC EK Nickel CSQ 680+ Waterblock 
OtherOtherOther
2x Aplhacool NexXxos UT60 360mm full copper rad... 6x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1450 RPM fans 10 meters of 12mm OD nickel plated copper pipe,... 
CPUMotherboardAudioAudio
4770k Asus Maximus VI Impact Audeze LCD-2 Woo Audio WA3  
Audio
Jolida Tube FX DAC 
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