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How are IEM's compared to regular cans in terms of sound quality for the price?, it would seem to me that you get much less for the money, I'm not really a fan of IEM's though, they hurt my ears and I get earwax in em'.
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Question for anyone using X-FI as a main source rather than a DAC, etc.

How much of a difference did you notice with Audio Creation Mode and Bit-Matched Playback turned on (as opposed to Entertainment mode/treble and bass settings, etc.)? I've been testing it, and I'm just noticing slightly better quality.

Are my ears simple not trained enough yet for the distinctions?
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I guess I'm not much of a fullfledge headphone person. I like the little headphones that clip on the ear. I have these Razer m250's:


These headphone clamps can hurt your ears though. My previous two sets never did that.
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i wouldnt mind trading in my hd515's for hd600's either tough to trade in $200 headphones for $280 headphones there soloz
why would it be difficult? i said I wouldn't mind trading mine in... so I'd have to throw more $ in, but oh well.

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How are IEM's compared to regular cans in terms of sound quality for the price?, it would seem to me that you get much less for the money, I'm not really a fan of IEM's though, they hurt my ears and I get earwax in em'.
well if you kept your ears clean...


you have to play around w/ tips to get a good seal and a comfortable fit.

Generally $ for $ a pair of cans will give you better sound quality, but IEMs offer greater portability and isolation. If you don't like how they normally fit try a pair of JVC fx66. I've found them to be more comfortable than my denons, and isolate better. They don't sound better though
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How are IEM's compared to regular cans in terms of sound quality for the price?, it would seem to me that you get much less for the money, I'm not really a fan of IEM's though, they hurt my ears and I get earwax in em'.
I listen to both full size and IEM's and for me personally ... in the end, I generally prefer the high end IEM's (though I do agree it seems like your getting less for the money).

I'm a sucker for extreme detail and I just can imagine any full size can delivering the sort of detail I get from my Shure SE530's ... or even the E4C's I had previously ... it's just a matter of great drivers being so close to your eardrum really. Some Grado's I've heard approach the same level of detail but at much higher volumes than is necessary for the IEM's.

I seem to be missing any ear wax so I guess I'm lucky in that regard.

Otherwise, I've found the high end IEM's to sound just as good or better, across all frequencies, as any of the high end full size cans I've heard.

The one area that IEM's do fall behind the full size cans though is in the sound stage department ... and this 'flaw' is only somewhat of a concern depending on the type of music I'm listening too. For instance ... certain large room chamber and orchestral music will to me sound better through a set of full sized cans ... similarly, movies sound a hell of a lot better through full sized cans in my opinion ... both examples due to the sound stage issue.

But all and all ... for the majority of my music listening ... I'm much more likely to put my Shure IEM's on than the Grado's or Senns. Just love the detail, resolution and overall impact of the music.

...

That said ... having spent nearly 400 bones for the Shures .... it does seem that I'm getting less for my money when strictly considering the materials used to construct the device .... I mean, when holding my Senns or some Grados in the other hand. They're just so small, light and unassuming.

But that thought disappears once I stick them in my ears ...

    
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Question for anyone using X-FI as a main source rather than a DAC, etc.

How much of a difference did you notice with Audio Creation Mode and Bit-Matched Playback turned on (as opposed to Entertainment mode/treble and bass settings, etc.)? I've been testing it, and I'm just noticing slightly better quality.

Are my ears simple not trained enough yet for the distinctions?
Only slightly better quality, as you said. The difference, as with swapping OPAMPS, etc. ... is a subtle one but one you'll notice more if you start running line out to a DAC or amp.

I use bitmatched mode exclusively when listening through my headphones ... I prefer to have an unmolested signal which I can then EQ at the player level should I so desire.

When listening to my desktop 5.1 system, though ... I switch back to entertainment mode.

I'm investigating DACS right now (may get an EMU 0404 since I also need the XLR inputs) and will post some thoughts on running line out to it once I get one installed.
    
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I listen to both full size and IEM's and for me personally ... in the end, I generally prefer the high end IEM's (though I do agree it seems like your getting less for the money).

I'm a sucker for extreme detail and I just can imagine any full size can delivering the sort of detail I get from my Shure SE530's ... or even the E4C's I had previously ... it's just a matter of great drivers being so close to your eardrum really. Some Grado's I've heard approach the same level of detail but at much higher volumes than is necessary for the IEM's.

I seem to be missing any ear wax so I guess I'm lucky in that regard.

Otherwise, I've found the high end IEM's to sound just as good or better, across all frequencies, as any of the high end full size cans I've heard.

The one area that IEM's do fall behind the full size cans though is in the sound stage department ... and this 'flaw' is only somewhat of a concern depending on the type of music I'm listening too. For instance ... certain large room chamber and orchestral music will to me sound better through a set of full sized cans ... similarly, movies sound a hell of a lot better through full sized cans in my opinion ... both examples due to the sound stage issue.

But all and all ... for the majority of my music listening ... I'm much more likely to put my Shure IEM's on than the Grado's or Senns. Just love the detail, resolution and overall impact of the music.

...

That said ... having spent nearly 400 bones for the Shures .... it does seem that I'm getting less for my money when strictly considering the materials used to construct the device .... I mean, when holding my Senns or some Grados in the other hand. They're just so small, light and unassuming.

But that thought disappears once I stick them in my ears ...

Just curious, what full size cans have you heard? I might pick up a $100 pair of IEM's someday if I can find a comfortable pair. I do love a big soundstage though.
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Just curious, what full size cans have you heard? I might pick up a $100 pair of IEM's someday if I can find a comfortable pair. I do love a big soundstage though.
Here at the house I have Grado SR80's, SR225's and a pair of Sennheiser HD595's. All of which I've spent considerable time with.

I've also listened to Beyerdynamic DT880's a bit as well ...

...

For one hundred bucks, you'll find it hard to beat any of the above menioned full sizers ... though I personally preferred the sound of my old Shure E4C's to any of them ...

I'm a glutton for neutrality, though ... and other than the Grados on their good days ... I wouldn't call any of the above necessarily 'neutral.'

By neutral I mean they do not add any of their own colorations to the music.

For example, both the HD595's and the DT880's impart a bit of high end sparkle that just isn't inherent to the recorded piece ... whereas the Shure IEM's (and Grados to a certain extent) convey the sound a bit more as it was recorded, which to some ears can come across as bland ...

I prefer to have a neutral start to the sound and then be able to EQ it to my taste depending on the track.
    
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I'm new to the world of SOUND! I just got this Xtremegamer and some Turtle Beach EarForce HPA2's
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Here at the house I have Grado SR80's, SR225's and a pair of Sennheiser HD595's. All of which I've spent considerable time with.

I've also listened to Beyerdynamic DT880's a bit as well ...

...

For one hundred bucks, you'll find it hard to beat any of the above menioned full sizers ... though I personally preferred the sound of my old Shure E4C's to any of them ...

I'm a glutton for neutrality, though ... and other than the Grados on their good days ... I wouldn't call any of the above necessarily 'neutral.'

By neutral I mean they do not add any of their own colorations to the music.

For example, both the HD595's and the DT880's impart a bit of high end sparkle that just isn't inherent to the recorded piece ... whereas the Shure IEM's (and Grados to a certain extent) convey the sound a bit more as it was recorded, which to some ears can come across as bland ...

I prefer to have a neutral start to the sound and then be able to EQ it to my taste depending on the track.
well that's your problem... you're comparing cans with IEMs that cost 2x as much
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