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So I looked into getting the magni/modi combo and saw that it's $200 for the set. Now I have another question. Is that a considerable upgrade from my FiiO E07K? I realize that it's more than twice the cost but is there a big enough difference in audio quality to justify the cost?

EDIT: If I were to get a set of high impedance open back headphones, would it not make more sense for me to just a get a FiiO E09K to go with my E07K? It can power headphones with up to 600 ohm impedance. The final cost would be $198 versus $200 for the magni/modi. Also this topic brings me to another question. What is the reasoning for buying high impedance headphones that require an amp to power?
Most of these points were covered above, but my opinions are a bit different.

It really depends on the headphones and personal preference to some extent, as to if anything is worth it. Usually I'd say not.

Are you saying that the final cost when adding E09K is $198? Isn't the cost more like $110 for just the amp? Or you're just comparing total amp/DAC cost to another amp/DAC cost? You should really ignore price tags when considering audio gear. In either case, if you get really high impedance or insensitive headphones, I'd say to just get an amp and use the E07K as the DAC. A Magni's not going to get angry if you use it with something other than its brother Modi.

As for high impedance headphones, the impedance depends on the design of the driver. There could be a performance advantage to using a thinner wire (less weight) and more windings (more effect from magnetic flux), both of which increase impedance. As for the extent of effects, how much, it really depends and doesn't seem to be that clear. But it's also a chicken and egg kind of thing. High-impedance headphones were used in studios so they could just tap speaker lines, also so they can be run in parallel and not draw ungodly amounts of current, also because the gear had no problem with the higher voltages needed. So when audiophiles wanted to use these, maybe they already had high-output sources, so it was okay, or they got a headphone amp. And so, future designers could make high-impedance headphones because the target market already has the gear and expectation for that, and so the cycle continues.

Except not really, as things are trending down and the iPod plus related successors, plus phones and all, exist.
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I have a few questions I hope that someone would be willing to answer. My current audio setup is Computer/Samsung Galaxy SIII > FiiO E07K > v-moda Crossfade M-100. With that being said, I bought the FiiO and the v-modas with mobile listening in mind. Mid-high end closed back headphones and portable DAC/AMP that connects over USB to my phone for mobile listening in public places (hence the closed back cans).

Now here comes the questions. These have been rattling around in my head for a while now. I bought that equipment because it was ideal for mobile listening. However, I use the exact same setup at home. I just plug the DAC into my computer and I get the exact same audio that I get out of my mobile setup. However, what if I wanted to go with a desktop setup? I did no research on this as I was originally buying with the intention of a completely mobile audio rig, which is what I got. But now I'm interested in desktop DACs and AMPs and possibly a set of open back headphones. However, I have no idea what to look for. What are my options as far as desktop AMPs and DACs go? What are the best open back headphones for the kind of music I like (everything from electronic music to rock and roll)? I also would like to know the difference between a DAC and an ODAC. Also, I currently have a DAC/AMP combo unit. What are the advantages of having a separate DAC and AMP setup? How much does a decent desktop setup usually cost?

I realize that's a lot of questions but I would really like some answers. I'm considering getting into the Hi-Fi market at some point and while I really enjoy what I already have (best audio setup I've ever owned) I would really like to delve deeper.

Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions. biggrin.gif
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Provided some answers
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Thank you. I will look into those headphones and the DAC/AMP setup. thumb.gif
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Answered

Noob pretty much summed it up pretty well, and took my two suggestions (880s + M&M Stack).
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Most of these points were covered above, but my opinions are a bit different.

It really depends on the headphones and personal preference to some extent, as to if anything is worth it. Usually I'd say not.

Are you saying that the final cost when adding E09K is $198? Isn't the cost more like $110 for just the amp? Or you're just comparing total amp/DAC cost to another amp/DAC cost? You should really ignore price tags when considering audio gear. In either case, if you get really high impedance or insensitive headphones, I'd say to just get an amp and use the E07K as the DAC. A Magni's not going to get angry if you use it with something other than its brother Modi.

As for high impedance headphones, the impedance depends on the design of the driver. There could be a performance advantage to using a thinner wire (less weight) and more windings (more effect from magnetic flux), both of which increase impedance. As for the extent of effects, how much, it really depends and doesn't seem to be that clear. But it's also a chicken and egg kind of thing. High-impedance headphones were used in studios so they could just tap speaker lines, also so they can be run in parallel and not draw ungodly amounts of current, also because the gear had no problem with the higher voltages needed. So when audiophiles wanted to use these, maybe they already had high-output sources, so it was okay, or they got a headphone amp. And so, future designers could make high-impedance headphones because the target market already has the gear and expectation for that, and so the cycle continues.

Except not really, as things are trending down and the iPod plus related successors, plus phones and all, exist.

I was thinking this as well (the first part)...

You could be better off getting the headphones, then the Magni, and if you don't like how the FiiO performs in combination with it, look for a DAC. The Magni is a wonderful amp for what it is. At a $99 price point, I would recommend it over any of the FiiO options...unless you're looking for portability.
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In the UK I can grab some Grado SR22i's fro £199.99

What would they be like over the 900X's and the others I suggested?

I keep on reading the Grados are a bit meh which seems to be conflicting.
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After looking at the Grado's I see some problems.

They seem to be of a low build quality and very uncomfortable


Why are buying headphones so darn confusing.

Also why do no shops have any decent headphones to try out.


Totally Dubbed:

Cheers for the option, I will keep it in mind if I can't find anything in the UK.

I've never had build quality issues between the 3 pairs that have been in my family. They are definitely not the most comfy, but there are mods that are meant to improve that. I don't think you'd have quality issues unless you truly abused them...and then again, when you spend over $80 for any pair of headphones, why would you not take utmost care of them?
 
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post #15613 of 38091
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Need some help. Rather than retyping everything, please see this.

Still pissed...

Yeah I am not surprised. You say the negative terminal came out. You don't have pics, so I googled DT770 driver and this is what I get http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a3/a3cd6a14_dtdriver2.jpg is this correct?

Now.....did the whole pin just rip out of the socket, or did the little tab break off?

If the tab came off and there is still some exposed solder, then solder your wire to that and NEVER touch it again.

If that whole pin ripped out of the socket, then IDK. There might be a trick or two you could try, but we really need pics to see what happened exactly.
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In the UK I can grab some Grado SR225i's fro £199.99

What would they be like over the 900X's and the others I suggested?

I keep on reading the Grados are a bit meh which seems to be conflicting.

Grados are a love/mod type headphones. You either love them as they are, or mod them until you love them. The sound quality is perfect for classic rock. There is a bit of drop off in the bass, but with classic rock there is not a lot of thumping bass anyways.

They are uncomfortable for long periods, but there are plenty of mods that work around this. Comfy Grados is a good mod, and people also like to add custom wooden cups.

If you are into DIY audio, then they are definitely the headphone you want to have. I love all of the grado headphones, and the sound quality is pretty good so long as you aren't a big bass head.

If you don't like DIY, then I am not sure what sort of ear pads are available to compensate for the discomfort.
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Yeah I am not surprised. You say the negative terminal came out. You don't have pics, so I googled DT770 driver and this is what I get http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/a3/a3cd6a14_dtdriver2.jpg is this correct?

Now.....did the whole pin just rip out of the socket, or did the little tab break off?

If the tab came off and there is still some exposed solder, then solder your wire to that and NEVER touch it again.

If that whole pin ripped out of the socket, then IDK. There might be a trick or two you could try, but we really need pics to see what happened exactly.

That's close. I'll post some pics later.

The whole metal part (along with the hair-thin voice coil connector wire) came off of the plastic housing of the driver itself.

Short answer: it's totally hosed. I'll get a replacement from Beyer, but I have to figure out how to put it in in such a way that those posts (or the wire they're connected to) don't end up touching the mini-xlr at all. Pretty sure me pressing on the driver housing to try to fit it in the cup contributed to its demise.

Ended up with some cheap JVCs (would have gotten the Koss ones I posted about if they didn't end up being open). Holy #&+@ do they have bass... Way more than I need/want, but they'll do for the trip. I'll just adjust levels on my iPhone turned ipod.

I could seriously feel them rumble on my ears when I listened to a 5fdp remix...

Edit

Not a very good pic, but you can see the tops of the terminals here:


Edited by liquidzoo - 5/19/13 at 6:28pm
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Just joined this i guess.. :| Haha..




Tell me now... am i doing this right?

I have it plugged in into the remote of my speakers then the speakers is connected to my soundcard and i have the soundcard on 2.0/2.1.
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Most of these points were covered above, but my opinions are a bit different.

It really depends on the headphones and personal preference to some extent, as to if anything is worth it. Usually I'd say not.

Are you saying that the final cost when adding E09K is $198? Isn't the cost more like $110 for just the amp? Or you're just comparing total amp/DAC cost to another amp/DAC cost? You should really ignore price tags when considering audio gear. In either case, if you get really high impedance or insensitive headphones, I'd say to just get an amp and use the E07K as the DAC. A Magni's not going to get angry if you use it with something other than its brother Modi.

As for high impedance headphones, the impedance depends on the design of the driver. There could be a performance advantage to using a thinner wire (less weight) and more windings (more effect from magnetic flux), both of which increase impedance. As for the extent of effects, how much, it really depends and doesn't seem to be that clear. But it's also a chicken and egg kind of thing. High-impedance headphones were used in studios so they could just tap speaker lines, also so they can be run in parallel and not draw ungodly amounts of current, also because the gear had no problem with the higher voltages needed. So when audiophiles wanted to use these, maybe they already had high-output sources, so it was okay, or they got a headphone amp. And so, future designers could make high-impedance headphones because the target market already has the gear and expectation for that, and so the cycle continues.

Except not really, as things are trending down and the iPod plus related successors, plus phones and all, exist.

Thanks for the info. Responses to your questions:

Yes I was comparing the total cost of both the DAC and the amp. For the E07K/E09K combo the cost would be $198 while the M+M combo is $200. I was asking if the M+M stack is work the extra money over just adding an E09K to my E07K. Also, I don't think I can use the E07K as a DAC for any other amp besides the E09K. It uses a proprietary plug on the bottom of the DAC that docks on the E09K to bypass the internal amp. As far as I know, there is no other way to bypass it. I would have to buy to Modi anyway if I were to purchase the Magni.

So here is the situation I'm looking at:

- Keep the E07K and use it only as a portable DAC/AMP.
- Buy the Magni/Modi stack for home use.
- Buy a set of Sennheiser HD 650s ( if I can ever afford them) to use with the M+M stack.

That brings me another question. Are the HD650s the right choice? Is there another set of cans I should turn my attention to? I picked those because it seems like ever audiophile has a pair of HD650s in their collection. They must be good, right? What justifies the $500 price tag on them? Is there another set of headphones that costs less with similar audio quality? I'm looking in the $350-$500 range for high impedance open back headphones. Do any of the Beyerdynamic headphones compete with the HD650s? What about the HD600s which are $100 less than the HD650s?
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Just joined this i guess.. :| Haha..




Tell me now... am i doing this right?

I have it plugged in into the remote of my speakers then the speakers is connected to my soundcard and i have the soundcard on 2.0/2.1.

It's a good place to start. Those are decent entry level headphones. However, I would connect them directly to your soundcard if it's possible. Or plug them into the headphone jack on the front of your case if you have one.

Welcome to the fold. Your next step is a USB DAC and amplifier to really make those headphones sing. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Speedster159 View Post

Just joined this i guess.. :| Haha..




Tell me now... am i doing this right?

I have it plugged in into the remote of my speakers then the speakers is connected to my soundcard and i have the soundcard on 2.0/2.1.

It's a good place to start. Those are decent entry level headphones. However, I would connect them directly to your soundcard if it's possible. Or plug them into the headphone jack on the front of your case if you have one.

Welcome to the fold. Your next step is a USB DAC and amplifier to really make those headphones sing. biggrin.gif
Thanks! smile.gif

It would be a pain to go around the back to just plug and unplug this thing.. :|

I have an el cheapo case and the front panel is connected to onboard.

I expected more bass from this.. maybe it's my config?
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