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I really like my LCD-2 personally and they are by far the most beautiful headphones I have seen or owned.

bigeyedsmiley.png You certainly have a type...
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Thanks a lot.you're being really helpful. I've looked for the DIGIZOID ZO2 but I couldn't really find it anywhere in the uk, it was either discontinued or out of stock.
Also the pfe's 012 cost around £75 when the PFE's 112 cost £130, so if I did get the PFE's 112 and the amp it would be already £200, and that might a bit too much for me. Originally I was planing on spending £100 max,. but would going with the 112's over 012's be worth the price difference if I did decide to go this route?
I would really want to try the ah-c400's as previously I had ah-c710 and I really liked them, but during last summer they stopped working frown.gif I do live in London so I might actually visit you.

The PFE 012's and 112's are identical, apart from the filters provided and the accessories:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/phonak-audeo-pfe-012_Headphones_review

As you can see from that link.
An FYI: The 111 and 112 is just the colour differentiation between white and black

Now filters wise - my ratings of the pfe 112's (you can find the full review on my website, just google my name and ull find it - as I'm supposedly not allowed to post links of personal websites...sigh):
Sound Quality Ratings:
Lows: 4 / 5 out of 10
Mids: 8 / 7 out of 10
Highs: 9 / 8 out of 10
Soundstage: 8/10

First rating (left) is for the grey filter
Second rating (right) is the black filter




Here's my PFE232's ratings:

Sound Quality Ratings
(3 different ratings will be provided, first being with grey, second with black, third with green filters)
Lows: 6 / 7 / 9 out of 10
Mids: 10 / 9 / 8 out of 10
Highs: 10 / 10 / 9 out of 10
Soundstage: 9/10 (I didn’t feel different filters applied any change)


As you can note - it is pretty obvious:
GREEN filters are concentrated towards LOWS, mids are affected because of it
BLACK filters is the mid point between lows and mids
GREY filters are concentrated towards MIDS, lows are affected because of it


What I tried to show you there are what filters do and how they impact sound - you will be surprised how much it actually changes the sound of the earphone. So do bear that in mind.

The Digizoid is indeed being discontinued...but should still be available at certain places - if you can't find it at all, let me know and I'll contact digizoid directly.
I have the Zo2 myself, and use it DAILY and "religiously" with my PFE232's.

So, yeah, if you want to know the PFE signature + the ZO2, you can demo it with my setup.
And if you want to hear the C400's with and without the ZO2 you can do so too.

I live in Guildford bro - so if you can commute to here, then give me a shout via PM.
TRYING before buying is a HUGE thing IMO.
I wish we had shops int he UK where one could DEMO headphones (HMV is now closing) and EARPHONES...pretty much impossible to find any store that would do it.

I've always thought of opening my own shop lol.

FYI:
Nothing will come close to the C710's sound. The C400's are FAR from the DENON sound.
I had the C751's and the C710's smile.gif
Loved them both, but slowly edged away from bassy earphones to more mid-centric earphones.
You'll find getting that same sound almost impossible.
I haven't come across an earphone that has the same signature. Only my PFE232's really just blew me away.

the SONY EX range however is CLOSE to the old DENON range...so maybe something like the EX510, 600, 1000 or something, might be up your street too.
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bigeyedsmiley.png You certainly have a type...

I am not counting headphones I haven't see personally, which is very limited. For example that cherry wood Fostex ones look gorgeous. Same with this one Stax headphones. I am sure if I see one of those in person as well as the LCD-3, I may change my mind. smile.gif
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It's a good suggestion. You linked me two different Topping amps. Which would you recommend over the other? I'd honestly be willing to go up in price to the $200 mark for a decent amp...I'm just not sure what to go for, and what's good quality. I'm oblivious to the speaker-fi world, but would love a good step in smile.gif. And I don't believe I answered fully before, but no, I'm totally not against tube amps. I've been curious about one for my Grados even. That could be the sound I really am looking for in the Grados...again, not sure.

The two topping amps were a T20 MK2 and a T30. The T30 has a dac.....and that is the only difference. The thing that I like is that parts express is having a sale where if you buy something 100 or over, you save 10 bucks. The T20 is 99.99 which might not qualify for the sale. The T30 is 108.99 so you would save the 10 bucks and save a dollar over the T20 Mk2 while at the same time getting the USB dac feature.

Yes, the grado 325is are MUCH better on tube amps. I have spent some time with them on various tube and solid state amps. I have even tried some 325is that were professionally modified on various amps as well. I have not heard a single solid state amp that can tame the highs and bolster the lows on grado headphones as well as a decent tube amp can.

But the issue would be that tube amps are not a cheap venture if you want a newer generation product. Most likely you would be selling your A2 and then getting a single tube speaker amp and then making the resistor box like I was talking about. Not to mention that it would also probably eat up your hopes of headphone upgrading and any budget for a dac as well.

The other side of the coin is you could go with vintage. I believe I was talking to you about another member named spriggs a while back. He has a fantastic dynaco tube amp that he informs me can be found for cheap. This might be the same model, and of course I will ask him for more details, but this would give you an idea of what you would be looking for http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649062127-dynaco_st70_stereo_tube_amp_all_working_plug_play_condition/ . It is ugly as crap, but if it is the same one he has, MAN does it sound good.
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Haha, that thing is pretty...well...not pretty. Also, it looks like the clamp on it may be what's keeping it ground. LOL.

I'm going to bookmark the T30 for sure. I'm at the point where I think if I make a purchase now it's not going to be what's right. Just trying to coast it out.

I haven't always noticed it, but the positioning of my Grados seem to be the difference between detail and mush. Bleh.
 
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Haha, that thing is pretty...well...not pretty. Also, it looks like the clamp on it may be what's keeping it ground. LOL.

I'm going to bookmark the T30 for sure. I'm at the point where I think if I make a purchase now it's not going to be what's right. Just trying to coast it out.

I haven't always noticed it, but the positioning of my Grados seem to be the difference between detail and mush. Bleh.

I think I might know what you mean by clamp, and quite frankly, I like that system better for audio stuff. It allows you to run a grounding wire to THE ground. I have yet to test it, but I have been told by several people that that sort of method completely eliminates other electronics from generating interference.

I agree with you on the coasting thing. I might also make a stop off at the audio store I like to go to. They might have some additional opinions. Right now the only thing stopping me from saying to go with amp A over amp B is your speakers.

They could sound great to you while at the same time be total garbage. My first real speakers were some fischers. They sounded wonderful to me because they had 16 inch subs in them which was a lot better than the old book shelf speakers (by speakers I mean tweeters) I had before them. Spriggs forced me to buy his celestion 3 speakers and there was a MASSIVE difference in sound quality. So your speakers could be terrible and you might not evern know it. If that were the case, then what I would tell you to do is toss them out and get different speakers for 100 bucks, and then get a cheaper amp. I think it would be a terrible idea to pair a great vintage tube amp, and pair it with poor speakers. Of course the flip side is that you ended up getting incredible speakers for next to nothing and you got REALLY lucky in which case I say get these mono blocks and just ignore the price. http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649051386-pilotone_aa902_pair_of_tube_monoblock_amplifiers/

So like you I am also trying to go through as many options as I can think of to try and find a good fit for not only your speakers, but your headphones too.
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And it is much appreciated smile.gif. As a reference, we have a pair of Pioneer HPM-1500 speakers sitting in the other room that I was using before. Sound much better, have a definite vintage look, feel, and sound to them, but they were much to large, and crazy heavy. The Cerwin-Vega aren't as great, but they do not sound like the complete other end of the spectrum either. Again, I have super limited experience with speakers, and it's just one of those topics (like the Summit-Fi of Head-Fi) that makes me feel utterly dumb, lol.
 
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Hmm.. something interesting happened tonight

I was comparing the D7000s and W3000ANVs back-to-back, and for fun I added +2dB to the 55Hz band on the W3Ks.

I'm going to have to re-audition a pair of MDR-R10s again ASAP, because I suspect I might prefer the W3Ks to them now.

In short, equalization is not the enemy.
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And it is much appreciated smile.gif. As a reference, we have a pair of Pioneer HPM-1500 speakers sitting in the other room that I was using before. Sound much better, have a definite vintage look, feel, and sound to them, but they were much to large, and crazy heavy. The Cerwin-Vega aren't as great, but they do not sound like the complete other end of the spectrum either. Again, I have super limited experience with speakers, and it's just one of those topics (like the Summit-Fi of Head-Fi) that makes me feel utterly dumb, lol.

Ah perfect. Ok, I will PM you some links to some ebay auctions (I don't mind of other members want the links, I just don't want some random googler to end up getting into a retarded bidding war). So long as they stay below 150, I suggest you get either of them, and go with a cheaper amp like the T 30. One of the links will be to some book shelf speakers that I own. Even if you buy them and decide that you don't like them for some reason, I will be HAPPY to buy them from you for the same price and postage and begin making a 5.1 audiophile system smile.gif. The other I have spent a lot of time listening to, and it is every so slightly better, but they are 4 times the size.

As for learning about speakers....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHB6XI_Tps

You want the amp and pre amp.

And then you want 2 of these

Everything else on the market is simply trying to get close to these things for a lower price smile.gif
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Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
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300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
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AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
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What is/are that/they? Lol.
 
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Samsung 960 Evo [500GB] Mushkin Enhanced Reactor [1TB] Corsair H75 + F120MP Windows 10 Professional [x64] 
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Acer Predator X34 Dell P2012Ht Razer Blackwidow X TE Corsair SF600 
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NCASE M1 [v5] G403 Wireless QcK+ [Vault 111 Ed.] Schiit Bifrost Uber + Schiit Asgard 2 + TH-X00 
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i5 4670K ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac ASUS GTX 1070 FE Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 1866 [White Ed.] 
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Samsung Evo 840 [250GB] Kingston HyperX Savage [480GB] Phanteks PH-TC14PE  Win 10 Pro [x64] 
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Dell S2716DGR [144hz] KC60 [Miami Ed.] EVGA 550 G2 Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX [White] 
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i7 7700K [4.5GHz] ASUS Z270i STRIX Titan X Pascal + Hybrid Corsair Vengeance LPX 3K [16GB] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 960 Evo [500GB] Mushkin Enhanced Reactor [1TB] Corsair H75 + F120MP Windows 10 Professional [x64] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer Predator X34 Dell P2012Ht Razer Blackwidow X TE Corsair SF600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NCASE M1 [v5] G403 Wireless QcK+ [Vault 111 Ed.] Schiit Bifrost Uber + Schiit Asgard 2 + TH-X00 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4670K ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac ASUS GTX 1070 FE Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 1866 [White Ed.] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung Evo 840 [250GB] Kingston HyperX Savage [480GB] Phanteks PH-TC14PE  Win 10 Pro [x64] 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2716DGR [144hz] KC60 [Miami Ed.] EVGA 550 G2 Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX [White] 
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Logitech G403 SS QcK Heavy AudioQuest Dragonfly Black + Sennhesier HD650 
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