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IMO, in terms of high-end sound philosophy (and maybe automobiles)...

Europe (e.g. AKG, Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser): Pure
East Asia (e.g. Audio Technica, Denon, maybe HiFiMan): Fun
America (e.g. Aude'ze, Grado): Muscular

For my money, nothing beats Japan. Except maybe Florida.thumb.gif

In other words, it's not an ideal situation to be searching for a high-end euphonic or fun sound from European companies..

Thanks you learn something new every day

Headphones is not really something i can claim i know a lot about

So that post helped alot

So i sould look at Asian headphones then?
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Categorizations are interesting and may sometimes be useful, but there are many exceptions, and I'd still suggest looking on a model-by-model basis, as for most other things.

Also, that's kind of running with multiple different interpretations of "fun" and so on. Or rather, there are different ways to achieve "fun" and different people might not agree with each assessment.

Isn't HD 700 a bit hotter on treble than what most people think is neutral (or boring, or whatever you'd want to call it)? Certainly I wouldn't think that's particularly the right direction for you if you thought HD 598 was lacking bass.

Part of it could just be the recording though; also, don't forget that headphones are never going to give you chest compressions and bass you can feel on your body.
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Categorizations are interesting and may sometimes be useful, but there are many exceptions, and I'd still suggest looking on a model-by-model basis, as for most other things.

Also, that's kind of running with multiple different interpretations of "fun" and so on. Or rather, there are different ways to achieve "fun" and different people might not agree with each assessment.

Isn't HD 700 a bit hotter on treble than what most people think is neutral (or boring, or whatever you'd want to call it)? Certainly I wouldn't think that's particularly the right direction for you if you thought HD 598 was lacking bass.

Part of it could just be the recording though; also, don't forget that headphones are never going to give you chest compressions and bass you can feel on your body.

I spent the better part of a day with the HD 700 and a big pile of CD´s in the shop

It was some pretty high end gear it was hooked up to so i dont think it was the hardware that made the HD 700 sound like they did
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IMO, in terms of high-end sound philosophy (and maybe automobiles)...

Europe (e.g. AKG, Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser): Pure
East Asia (e.g. Audio Technica, Denon, Fostex, maybe HiFiMan): Fun
America (e.g. Aude'ze, Grado): Muscular

For my money, nothing beats Japan. Except maybe Florida.thumb.gif

In other words, it's not an ideal situation to be searching for a high-end euphonic or fun sound from European companies..

This is quite accurate. Especially at the flagship level where those statement products are representations of the brand's design philosophy. Low- and mid-range products don't really carry the same idea that much, i.e you can still have fun sounding German cans (DT990, HD25 and most Ultrasones) and neutral sounding Japanese cans (Audio Technica's A-series and most Stax models). For IEM's it's even harder to generalize like that, since most top IEM brands aim for neutrality and balance regardless of nationality (UE, Shure, FitEar, UM. JH etc.)

Once you're at the flagship level one German can and one Japanese can will be enough for almost all types of music IMO. American brands like Audeze or Grado never do it for me though (mostly build comfort issues) so YMMV.
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Categorizations are interesting and may sometimes be useful, but there are many exceptions, and I'd still suggest looking on a model-by-model basis, as for most other things.

I would be inclined to agree if you are looking at a company's entire portfolio. Once you get into the ~$800+ range in full-size headphones, you're not looking at hugely different sound philosophies from a given company. I suspect that doing so would dilute the brand's image for its high-end segment, nevermind the expense from an R&D standpoint. In my experience there is certainly a house sound from each company in the high-end.

The deviations from the generalizations I made that I can think of include Ultrasone (Europe, fun) and Stax (Japan, pure).
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It was some pretty high end gear it was hooked up to so i dont think it was the hardware that made the HD 700 sound like they did

Upstream components aren't as big of a deal as many make them out to be. If you straight-up dislike a set of headphones (provided you're getting enough distortion-free volume out of them without unexpected alterations to the frequency response), changing upstream components aren't really going to change things.
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I would be inclined to agree if you are looking at a company's entire portfolio. Once you get into the ~$800+ range in full-size headphones, you're not looking at hugely different sound philosophies from a given company. I suspect that doing so would dilute the brand's image for its high-end segment, nevermind the expense from an R&D standpoint. In my experience there is certainly a house sound from each company in the high-end.

The deviations from the generalizations I made that I can think of include Ultrasone (Europe, fun) and Stax (Japan, pure).

Oh, I see. Maybe part of the disagreement was just the definition of high end. I was still interpreting oldschool flagship or high-end products like HD 600 / 650, DT 880 (maybe even 770 / 990), etc. and even modern-day stuff like AKG K550 where there's no higher-priced model in the function/line as part of high end today. My limited impression is that the distinction between the older and newer models seems more in price, date of release, and price than anything else. As always, that kind of generalization is a bit too strong though.

But certainly, you've heard a lot more of them than I have.
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Once people get into high end, it is really about looking for one's preferred sound as close to perfection as possible. For me, I love my sound natural and accurate with smooth but full mids and rolled off trebles typically. That is why I currently have an HD650 and LCD-2. Some people lean towards bass heavy and some people like crisper, sharper trebles. It always comes down to tastes and in the $800+ range, people are just fine tuning that and looking for the best headphones available for that preferred sound. Another thing to consider is people's sound preferences usually change overtime as well. When I was a lot younger, I was a complete bass head. My music library was like 70% hip hop, 10% old school RnB, 10% classical rock, 10% other stuff. Now it is probably 10% hip hop, 30% old school RnB and Soul, 30% classical rock, 20% traditional Chinese and other Asian music, and 10% EDM.
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I dont mind accurate and detailed sound but i dont want it to sound so dead and lifeless as those i have tried so far

the old denon range is almost the opposite of what you are describing.
The NEW range is even more boomy sounding.

Not sure what you mean any more tbh lol
Sennheiser's range is smooth and accurate, as OCnoob described.
The denon range is more bass orientated and much more "lively"

I agree with the below posts too:
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Originally Posted by friend'scatdied View Post

IMO, in terms of high-end sound philosophy (and maybe automobiles)...

Europe (e.g. AKG, Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser): Pure
East Asia (e.g. Audio Technica, Denon, Fostex, maybe HiFiMan): Fun
America (e.g. Aude'ze, Grado): Muscular

For my money, nothing beats Japan. Except maybe Florida.thumb.gif

In other words, it's not an ideal situation to be searching for a high-end euphonic or fun sound from European companies..

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Originally Posted by LinkPro View Post

This is quite accurate. Especially at the flagship level where those statement products are representations of the brand's design philosophy. Low- and mid-range products don't really carry the same idea that much, i.e you can still have fun sounding German cans (DT990, HD25 and most Ultrasones) and neutral sounding Japanese cans (Audio Technica's A-series and most Stax models). For IEM's it's even harder to generalize like that, since most top IEM brands aim for neutrality and balance regardless of nationality (UE, Shure, FitEar, UM. JH etc.)

Once you're at the flagship level one German can and one Japanese can will be enough for almost all types of music IMO. American brands like Audeze or Grado never do it for me though (mostly build comfort issues) so YMMV.

Edited by Totally Dubbed - 5/24/13 at 11:53am
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the old denon range is almost the opposite of what you are describing.
The NEW range is even more boomy sounding.

Not sure what you mean any more tbh lol
Sennheiser's range is smooth and accurate, as OCnoob described.
The denon range is more bass orientated and much more "lively"

I cant recall what i tried so i might go down there again and try some other models
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I cant recall what i tried so i might go down there again and try some other models

Be sure to plug your music in as well, with your source, if possible.
It allows you to compare something you are used to, with some new gear.

EDIT:
Personally i think you are looking for something less analytical (ie the high-end sennheisers) If you are WILLING to spend so much money - you could try and venture into the JVC Victor's FX1000's and the Fostex TH-900 - I think those two are the ultimate in closed cans.
They are super fun, but also at the same time don't compromise quality.
You'll be getting best of both worlds.

Also - you have only been trying open-back headphones, if I'm not mistaken.
Might be trying some closed-backs.
Personally I liked open-backs, but feel "more at home" with closed backs
Edited by Totally Dubbed - 5/24/13 at 12:02pm
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