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Fair point I guess. But the context of the discussion is that OCnoob already has the burson. So the question is...should OCnoob get the darkvoice amp. The answer is no unless he just wants something to play around with.

Plus the darkvoice at full price (which excludes you considering you can actually make a small profit) is a total waste. You can replace all of the internal components with VERY basic capacitors and resistors, and the sound quality just shoots up. This tells me that who ever built it used the bottom of the bottom of the barrel components to build it. It is the same thing with this gem tune amp I have. It is a 800 dollar amp. I replaced two caps for a grand total of 11 cents and the difference was incredible.

So it goes to show that these chinese amps are not something you would not want to invest your money into. Actually if I can make a suggestion, I would return the dark voice or sell it and go for an antique sounds labs amp. They at least use decent parts and actually sound really nice for the price.

Can you give a suggestion of a chinese amp that doesn't cost that much that would be "worth" modding? I'm more interested in something to play around with than actually getting the best audio quality out of. Something sub-100 preferable.
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Can you give a suggestion of a chinese amp that doesn't cost that much that would be "worth" modding? I'm more interested in something to play around with than actually getting the best audio quality out of. Something sub-100 preferable.

Are you just looking for any solid amp under $100?
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Are you just looking for any solid amp under $100?

Not really. I plan on getting the vali/modi stack once I get a pair of hd650s for my secondary set up. I'm mainly just looking for something to have some fun with.
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I agree Burson is awesome but comparing two different amps/prices ,I don't think it's fair that's all

Fair point I guess. But the context of the discussion is that OCnoob already has the burson. So the question is...should OCnoob get the darkvoice amp. The answer is no unless he just wants something to play around with.

Plus the darkvoice at full price (which excludes you considering you can actually make a small profit) is a total waste. You can replace all of the internal components with VERY basic capacitors and resistors, and the sound quality just shoots up. This tells me that who ever built it used the bottom of the bottom of the barrel components to build it. It is the same thing with this gem tune amp I have. It is a 800 dollar amp. I replaced two caps for a grand total of 11 cents and the difference was incredible.

So it goes to show that these chinese amps are not something you would not want to invest your money into. Actually if I can make a suggestion, I would return the dark voice or sell it and go for an antique sounds labs amp. They at least use decent parts and actually sound really nice for the price.

this is waiting for my Aune and I will have similar delivery for DV so you can add 20~30$= pure tube amp at it's best (1 hour job and all you had to say about it will be laughable )

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Can you give a suggestion of a chinese amp that doesn't cost that much that would be "worth" modding? I'm more interested in something to play around with than actually getting the best audio quality out of. Something sub-100 preferable.

Sub 100 is not going to happen. However, the miniwatt I suppose would be a fun project.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/684684/miniwatt-n1-tube-amp-anodized-black-color-for-full-range-high-efficiency-speakers

For super cheap, you can build the millet hybrid tube amp. I built one for 60 bucks after shipping and tax. If you do not know how to read a circuit map, then you can PM me. Thankfully the millett is pretty straight forward and easy to understand.
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this is waiting for my Aune and I will have similar delivery for DV so you can add 20~30$= pure tube amp at it's best (1 hour job and all you had to say about it will be laughable )

Pure tube amp at it's best?

BOW TO YOUR SENSEI teaching.gif





In all seriousness though, if you are going to upgrade your electrolytic caps, I would look at replacing some of the film caps as well with some wima caps.

You also have several basic through hole resistors that can be swapped out for some vishay dale resistors for fairly cheap.
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1some of them I do ,but lost my interest when I realized how rude you can be to some of the newcomers and to the new faces/OCN members posting in this section ,you trying so hard to make it sound like you are the authority when it comes to Audio in general and have to have the last word ,I give you that much.. you have a mouth and half on you that's for sure .I do appreciate all the help you provided over the years to this community but I think it's time and you need to tone it down..Lady

2your impression ..I never said that ,try to explain why 336SE shouldn't be used with T1 and what's with $850-1000+ dollar headphone?->I'm planing to use it with my 880s only and T1 solo with 400s...you seems to know a lot about tube amps without owning one ,you mention in few posts that you prefer the sterile ,dry sound that SS amp offers (if that's what you like that's fine with me but don't make it sound like SS is "IT") but want to sound like you know all about tube amps ,DAC/amp hybrids,etc and criticizing someone that likes the extra dimensions that tube amp/DAC can offer ,how many tubes have you tried ?

I compare all this Audio dilemma to a cooking show (80~90% of it is all about the taste and flavor) some like it spicy some sweet... I would leave the last word to the person that actually is going to taste it.

here is another one ..lol

1) Wanna' give me a few examples of how I'm rude to newcomers so that I can become a better member? :)

 

2) When people say they're pairing a tube amp with a "T1" it's understood that "T1" means Beyerdynamic Tesla 1, hence $1000 headphone. Furthermore, "you mention in few posts that you prefer the sterile ,dry sound that SS amp offers" was in reference to the DAC, not the amplifier. You have to make sure you when you make these kinds of statements that you have your information correct or that you've at least spent more than a cursory glance reading it. Otherwise you end up like other members that don't read, but comment freely on things they haven't bothered to give a second to understand. I'm also thinking you're very much in the same boat as other said member with 1).

 

Also, I didn't criticize you for using a tube amp. I'm pretty certain I made it very clear that I was criticizing the idea that using the 336SE with the Beyerdynamic T1 was a silly idea. It'd be like pairing a Sennheiser HD800 with a FiiO E10. Perhaps not that extreme, but perhaps you'll understand the absurdity of such a pairing better with an extreme example like that.

 

While audio is most definitely high on "taste" as you say, there's a pretty clear distinction when an amp is driving a headphone or not.

 

3) In reference to: "be happy with the wonderful value the ODAC gives you. Don't bother with tube amps because they won't give you any audio benefit really worth its price and tubes are highly expensive. Going tube is not value happy."

 

Can you comment on how that statement is wrong or against tubes as you seem to believe? Perhaps if I break it down for you, you'll better understand what was being said in that statement. The statement was arguing that tube amplifiers have poor value compared to other areas of the audio chain. For instance, the putting more money into a good headphone rather than a good amplifier will yield much better results than pairing a midfi headphone with an excellent amp.

 

That said, when you have a top tier headphone and you're pairing it with a suitable amp, you tend to spend the value of the headphone or more on the amplifier as well. It's usually the last thing you get or you get it WITH the headphone...but typically people pair the higher end headphone with a mid-fi amp rather than a hi-fi amp. Hi-fi amps have ridiculously poor value, but when you're looking for that last bit of audio excellence, the amp is the place to look...but you'd be delusional if you think that a tube amp is going to make a headphone sound way better than a mid-fi value amplifier option. Audio like many other things suffers from diminishing returns. People that pay a ton for tube amplifiers typically are aware that the audio benefit they're paying for is very small (AKA the value or their purchase is very small if 100% audio perfection is somehow an attainable goal). Even if they're getting 5-10% improved quality from a high end amp, they're spending hundreds to thousands of dollars for that improvement. Whereas the headphone itself will yield a much higher percentage 65%+ let's say for the sake of argument. A proper DAC taking most of the rest of that percentage..lets say 20-25% or so.

 

I think I did a good job of explaining what I was saying. If you're not clear or don't agree let me know.

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1) Wanna' give me a few examples of how I'm rude to newcomers so that I can become a better member? smile.gif

.[/COLOR]

Not even newcomers, just generally wink.gif
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OC'ing Noob, it's time to play daddy again. The kids are fighting.
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Not even newcomers, just generally wink.gif

Exactly. redface.gif
Anyways, as of five minutes ago, I completely abandoned the use of Eq's!(for now), at some random point in time I just found that it simply sounded better flat.
With headphones at least.

I now hear blaring achievement screaming through my drivers, knowing that I am no longer coloring hours of artist work with artificial tones. lol

Also, If anyone ever stepped into the zone of frugal, can one recommend a DAC >$50 US.
I'm about to pull the trigger on these open air cans, does anyone have them already?

Edit : added stuff.
Edited by Truedeal - 1/15/14 at 6:28pm
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