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wut,

The DT880's are slightly lacking in the low-range...and the HE-300 are pretty bass-heavy...

I feel like I'm being trolled.

The DT880s.........have a lot of bass.

IDK who on earth told you they were bass light, but they need to be thrown into a fire or something. (well.........unless they were referring to some weird rendition of the Dt880s, but in most cases the dt880s are considered to be pretty bassy as far as open headphones go)

If you do not believe me, please go try out other similarly priced OPEN headphones. If you compare the DT880s to audio technica, sennheiser, AKG, and so on, then you will get a pretty decent idea of what I mean by "a lot of bass".

The HE-300s are in no way bass heavy. It is not bass light, and in fact I would say that it has a very balanced tone, but they are not bass heavy.

If you REALLY want something bass heavy, then save your pennies and get the HE-500s.
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wut,

The DT880's are slightly lacking in the low-range...and the HE-300 are pretty bass-heavy...

I feel like I'm being trolled.

The DT880s.........have a lot of bass.

IDK who on earth told you they were bass light, but they need to be thrown into a fire or something. (well.........unless they were referring to some weird rendition of the Dt880s, but in most cases the dt880s are considered to be pretty bassy as far as open headphones go)

If you do not believe me, please go try out other similarly priced OPEN headphones. If you compare the DT880s to audio technica, sennheiser, AKG, and so on, then you will get a pretty decent idea of what I mean by "a lot of bass".

The HE-300s are in no way bass heavy. It is not bass light, and in fact I would say that it has a very balanced tone, but they are not bass heavy.

If you REALLY want something bass heavy, then save your pennies and get the HE-500s.

The DT880's are completely lacking in bass compared to the HE-300. The HE-300's are in the DT880's price range too...

Nobody told me they were bass light. I took my Portable rig (Note 3 and iBasso D-zero) and tested the 250Ω at Guitar Center.

I'll be grabbing the LCD-2 for my next cans (unless the new HiFiMan options prove to be better for the money). If the HE-300's aren't bass heavy, then I'm not much of a basshead.
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Face palm.

Phillyd. Have you forgotten that your amp is just a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit more special than your average amp?

You can not take a portable rig out to give you an idea of your amp sounds like. I could of told you that the DT880s were going to sound like poop with most mainstream solid state gear.

In fact I am just going to make that clear. If you are using crappy bright gear, then the DT880s are going to suffer big time.

You need to understand that your amp is going to give headphones a much warmer and sometimes bassier response.
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Is there a desktop amp that has bass and treble adjustment out there in the $150~$200 range that would pair well with the ODAC? From my understanding the O2 amp doesn't have this; I know it has a gain switch but no treble and bass adjustment, is this correct?
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I'm not really buying the amp explanation for that much of a difference in just bass for headphones like those. And DT 880. Anyway, DT 990 has more (mid)bass. Philips L1 and L2 have more bass and roll off lower. HE-300... probably depends on revision? And all of this subject to pads and sealing. But yes, most open dynamic headphones roll off more and earlier than DT 880, so DT 880 has more bass. Personally I would really hesitate to say "a lot" though.

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Is there a desktop amp that has bass and treble adjustment out there in the $150~$200 range that would pair well with the ODAC? From my understanding the O2 amp doesn't have this; I know it has a gain switch but no treble and bass adjustment, is this correct?
Yeah, bass/treble controls, especially the treble ones, aren't all that popular and not too common in that range. O2 certainly doesn't have it. First unreleased revision didn't even have the gain switch; that was added during development.

Actually, it seems like portable amps are more likely to have this functionality, for whatever reason. There's no reason you can't use those at a desk. Think FiiO E17 and so on. Other options in the price range are escaping me at the moment. E17's DAC section would go unused and be pointless (or you could just sell the ODAC), but it fits the price range. At least with the E17 you know what the tone controls are doing (see below):
http://www.head-fi.org/t/587912/fiio-e17-alpen-first-impression-final-thought

What do you need to drive?

Though if you're using the amp at your computer, I wonder why you don't apply the EQ in software and not be saddled with some limited shape of EQ options.
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Any suggestions for $50 to $100 IEM's to run off of my phone/iBasso D-Zero? Dark and bassy sound signature. Not buying soon, but very curious. I know nothing about IEM's really.

 

Check out the Fischer Audio Consonance. I was recommended them by T Dubbed, and I've been very happy with them so far. You can get them on Amazon for $50.71
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I'm not really buying the amp explanation for that much of a difference in just bass for headphones like those. And DT 880. Anyway, DT 990 has more (mid)bass. Philips L1 and L2 have more bass and roll off lower. HE-300... probably depends on revision? And all of this subject to pads and sealing. But yes, most open dynamic headphones roll off more and earlier than DT 880, so DT 880 has more bass.

The only discrepency I'd imagine would be dependent on the output impedance of the amplifier. If the system has a low enough damping factor the output will skew towards the impedance curve.

Since the HD 600 has a nominal 300-ohm impedance it would be fairly difficult to get a low damping factor, but if this is accomplished we'd see excess output sharply spiked at 100Hz (in fact exaggerating its mid-bass hump and exacerbating the bass roll-off).

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf

All of the DT 880s have a fairly benign broadband impedance hump centered at 100Hz, but not nearly as spiked/exaggerated as with the HD 600.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880250ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf

Ergo even out of a (very) high-output-impedance tube amplifier, the DT 880 will offer better bass performance than the HD 600 will. This is also evident in the 30Hz square wave response, where the DT 880's is cleaner.

Oh, and let's not even talk about the HE-300:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE300Rev2.pdf

There is much conflation between mid-bass and sub-bass. As far as extension, pitch, and resolution are concerned the DT 880 is matched by very few open headphones under $500.
Edited by friend'scatdied - 3/28/14 at 9:33am
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The DT880s.........have a lot of bass.

IDK who on earth told you they were bass light, but they need to be thrown into a fire or something. (well.........unless they were referring to some weird rendition of the Dt880s, but in most cases the dt880s are considered to be pretty bassy as far as open headphones go)

If you do not believe me, please go try out other similarly priced OPEN headphones. If you compare the DT880s to audio technica, sennheiser, AKG, and so on, then you will get a pretty decent idea of what I mean by "a lot of bass".

The HE-300s are in no way bass heavy. It is not bass light, and in fact I would say that it has a very balanced tone, but they are not bass heavy.

If you REALLY want something bass heavy, then save your pennies and get the HE-500s.

1-2 dB bass light to be honest, compounded by the fact it's open (see isolation issues affecting bass frequencies the most).
My gauge is always the beyerdynamic T1 frequency response (see closest to diffuse-field equalisation line) with it being ruler flat in the bass frequencies, to compensate for any noise isolation issues and head positioning issues, both of which affect the bass frequencies vastly.

Many 'audiophile''s impression of what is 'neutral' and 'balanced' frequency response wise is downright bass light scientifically. When properly equalisating headphones to proper scientifically neutral, the bass frequencies are so hard to get right because there are so many factors affecting it in headphones, where none of these 'equalisating' headphones guides go into at all.

Headphones are bass light are nature due to the 6dB effect, if they are not heavily sub bass compensated (e.g. the JVC FX500, FX700 earphones).
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I'm not really buying the amp explanation for that much of a difference in just bass for headphones like those.

Meh. Believe what you want. As far as I can tell, I am the only one who has heard the DT880s on several different systems.

If no one believes me, that is fine, I really do not care. But it does not take a genius or frequency graphs to realize that the DT880s have more bass than your average open headphone at the 200 dollar price range. The ONLY headphone that I know of in that price range that I have not tested is the philips X1.

Audio technica, way too bright and very bass light

AKG bright and a tiny amount of bass

Sennheiser 598......just sounds weird IMO

DT990....just a different flavor of the DT880s.

Grado........I just refuse to even bother with grado. Until they make comfortable headphones, I am not even going to bother.

HE-300s...I like them, but they are a bit bass light. HOWEVER I have only heard them on the schiit lyr.

In all honesty...what on earth are you guys comparing the DT880s too?
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AKG bright and a tiny amount of bass
Ooooookay. Having used AKG K 271 mkII and K 272 HD for a span of five years as my most frequented monitoring headphones as an audio technician, mostly for a few small scale rap artists and two DJ's, I've never heard them feel "bright" or have "a tiny amount of bass". The K701 maybe, but you can't generalize a whole brand based on one model (which sounds like what you're doing since you're just dropping names of brands and assuming everything they do have some sort of a house curve).
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