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Face palm.

Phillyd. Have you forgotten that your amp is just a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit more special than your average amp?

You can not take a portable rig out to give you an idea of your amp sounds like. I could of told you that the DT880s were going to sound like poop with most mainstream solid state gear.

In fact I am just going to make that clear. If you are using crappy bright gear, then the DT880s are going to suffer big time.

You need to understand that your amp is going to give headphones a much warmer and sometimes bassier response.
Well once I get some cash saved up and I begin my local headphone buying and returning musical chairs, I'll be grabbing the DT880's to see how they sound. Probably won't like the brightness but if you guys are right about how good these are, then I should like them.
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Check out the Fischer Audio Consonance. I was recommended them by T Dubbed, and I've been very happy with them so far.
Interesting, care to describe the frequency curve?
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I'm not really buying the amp explanation for that much of a difference in just bass for headphones like those. And DT 880. Anyway, DT 990 has more (mid)bass. Philips L1 and L2 have more bass and roll off lower. HE-300... probably depends on revision? And all of this subject to pads and sealing. But yes, most open dynamic headphones roll off more and earlier than DT 880, so DT 880 has more bass. Personally I would really hesitate to say "a lot" though.
This makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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Ooooookay. Having used AKG K 271 mkII and K 272 HD for a span of five years as my most frequented monitoring headphones as an audio technician, mostly for a few small scale rap artists and two DJ's, I've never heard them feel "bright" or have "a tiny amount of bass". The K701 maybe, but you can't generalize a whole brand based on one model (which sounds like what you're doing since you're just dropping names of brands and assuming everything they do have some sort of a house curve).

Context. You gotta start reading context.
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Ooooookay. Having used AKG K 271 mkII and K 272 HD for a span of five years as my most frequented monitoring headphones as an audio technician, mostly for a few small scale rap artists and two DJ's, I've never heard them feel "bright" or have "a tiny amount of bass". The K701 maybe, but you can't generalize a whole brand based on one model (which sounds like what you're doing since you're just dropping names of brands and assuming everything they do have some sort of a house curve).

Context. You gotta start reading context.

You mean that the AKG's in that price range then. correct?
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You mean that the AKG's in that price range then. correct?

Right. Open back AKG headphones on the 200 dollar price level that sound moderately good.
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Anyone have any ideas for headphones that I can buy locally in Louisville, KY (Best Buy, Apple Store, Guitar Center), for under $300? I'll be trying and returning headphones until I have one I really like.
Trying:
Sennheiser Momentum
Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro 250Ω
(maybe) B&O H6
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You mean that the AKG's in that price range then. correct?

Right. Open back AKG headphones on the 200 dollar price level that sound moderately good.
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I'm not really buying the amp explanation for that much of a difference in just bass for headphones like those. And DT 880. Anyway, DT 990 has more (mid)bass. Philips L1 and L2 have more bass and roll off lower. HE-300... probably depends on revision? And all of this subject to pads and sealing. But yes, most open dynamic headphones roll off more and earlier than DT 880, so DT 880 has more bass.

The only discrepency I'd imagine would be dependent on the output impedance of the amplifier. If the system has a low enough damping factor the output will skew towards the impedance curve.

Since the HD 600 has a nominal 300-ohm impedance it would be fairly difficult to get a low damping factor, but if this is accomplished we'd see excess output sharply spiked at 100Hz (in fact exaggerating its mid-bass hump and exacerbating the bass roll-off).

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf

All of the DT 880s have a fairly benign broadband impedance hump centered at 100Hz, but not nearly as spiked/exaggerated as with the HD 600.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880250ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf

Ergo even out of a (very) high-output-impedance tube amplifier, the DT 880 will offer better bass performance than the HD 600 will. This is also evident in the 30Hz square wave response, where the DT 880's is cleaner.

Oh, and let's not even talk about the HE-300:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE300Rev2.pdf

There is much conflation between mid-bass and sub-bass. As far as extension, pitch, and resolution are concerned the DT 880 is matched by very few open headphones under $500.
That's kind of what I was getting at, though maybe you're exaggerating the effect. Even if you have 100 ohms output impedance, on HD 600 that means effectively 1 dB midbass hump boost compared to other frequencies.** On DT 880 250 ohms and 600 ohms, even less of a difference. This isn't the effect to be looking for.

** 20 log10{ [530 / (530 + 100)] / [300 / (300 + 100)] } is about 1, more or less.

Fitment and seal is going to make a bigger difference in the bass response.

Also, consider listening volume. At lower volumes you get less perceived bass due to hearing being nonlinear (see equal loudness contours). I mean, if you really want to talk about listening to something on system XYZ, I've heard the DT 880 (600 ohms) on a few different sources, though very briefly on all of them. It sounds like there's more bass when the volume is higher, like on pretty much everything.


edit: AKG open-back $200 range is AKG K612 (former K601, K501, etc.). K601 / K612 is slightly warmer than 7xx series but should be overall similar. I wouldn't dismiss these off hand.

I never heard K501 but according to many it was more popular and better. Seems to have had less bass though, for what that's worth.
Edited by mikeaj - 3/28/14 at 6:54pm
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If you guy's haven't already heard it, I recommend Zed's Dead Essential Mix. It's mesmerizing, especially if you like bass.
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Anyone have any ideas for headphones that I can buy locally in Louisville, KY (Best Buy, Apple Store, Guitar Center), for under $300? I'll be trying and returning headphones until I have one I really like.
Trying:
Sennheiser Momentum
Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro 250Ω
(maybe) B&O H6
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Guitar Center usually has the Shure line there. You've got the SRH840 at the $200 price point. GC usually price matches along with BB.
 
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My local guitar centers only carry Yamaha headphones and nothing over $100... frown.gif
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Guitar Center usually has the Shure line there. You've got the SRH840 at the $200 price point. GC usually price matches along with BB.
Thanks for the suggestion! I might do the swap with Amazon once or twice too...that would widen my selection.
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If you guy's haven't already heard it, I recommend Zed's Dead Essential Mix. It's mesmerizing, especially if you like bass.
Listening now!
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