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Originally Posted by Tjj226 Angel View Post

No the tubes do serve a sonic purpose, but the stock tubes that the jolida comes with are kind of bland. They really do not have a tube sound. It is really hard for me to explain, but the jolida as a stock device just sounds like a really good solid state dac that is less sterile sounding.

That being said, if you ever upgrade the tubes down the line to like mullards or something, then you start to get a really tubey sound from your dac.


Also, I am going to slightly rephrase what I said about the amp so that I make myself more clear.

I do not recommend that anyone buys any of the schiit products with the exception of the magni, modi, or vali for budget reasons. Schiit is probably one of the worst amp designers of all time and all of their solid state amps sound like thin shrill crap. I really do not even care for their tube amps. HOWEVER. If for some reason you are locked into buying a schiit amp, then the lyr is IMO the best one they offer.

It is extremely over priced because of the tubes, and the tubes barely do anything for the sound. The ONLY upside the lyr has is it is not overly bright and harsh.

Furthermore, if you were to get the jolida, it actually has a built in headphone amp. So you could just buy the jolida and not even worry about a separate headphone amp.

If you really wanted a headphone amp, then here are my two ultimate sub 500 dollar amp choices.

For solid state, I would get the parasound Zamp v3. IDK if anyone on this forum knows about parasound, but it is a solid state amp that actually sounds full and well bodied. It could have a slightly warm tilt, but IMO it actually sounds pretty clean and neutral without having a harsh or analytically sound like many other SS amps have. AND it is also a 2 channel speaker amplifier as well which means that the parasound amp could be the last amp you would need for audio.

For a tube amp, I would say that you should either get the best antique sound labs amp you can find/afford, or wait until I make my artisan page.

Nope, not locked into buying a Schiit product at all. I just like the big knobs their headphone amps have? ^_^;;; Would definitely prefer something that's black in colour though tongue.gif

So with the Jolida it already has the headphone amp section built in... That's good to know, especially since it does look like it would be a nice piece of desk eye candy ^_^ I think I'll wind up waiting a while though, as I'm fairly happy with my current setup (it does the job) - at least for headphones anyways. I really should pick up some speakers at some point (as well as new computer monitors, a Surface Pro 2, etc etc), and I'm still tempted to put money down on the Sennheiser and Audio Technica gaming headsets (mostly out of curiosity - especially the ATH-ADG1!), not to mention a coil cable version of the ATH-M50's, and a pair of Pioneer HDJ-2000's (the Pioneers are for djing though. Sony MDR-V500's were nice for a long time for such, and my ATH-M50's, while nice, aren't the comfiest for longer sessions).
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Solid state 4 life.

As much as the curious part of me seems to protest (and loudly as well), I might wind up going this route, simply because of just how many 'unknowns" there are with tubes. By "unknowns" I'm not implying anything bad, but it's the fact that one tends to hear a lot about tube rolling, finding the closest thing to absolute perfection one can get for one's various tastes, etc... I'm content enough dealing with such things in two other areas (djing and computer keyboards), don't know if I want a third one tongue.gif

In all honesty, I think the more info I get (and some research I've done) the more confused I get between the two types.
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Schiit stuff are on the bright side. Their popular magni, modi are also slightly bright.

The asgard 2 is "ok" if you pair it with dark headphones but it's going to be a nightmare if you use it with the AKG K/Q 701/2s or other similarly "bright" headphones(unless you love treble) .

Moving up from the asgard, most of the schiit stuff are overprices.

This "brightness" that the schiit stuff has usually creates an illusion that it is "more detailed" and a lot of people thinks it's "better" because of this.
It's quite a clever design that fools a lot of people.

If you want best c/p, there are some chinese gear that performs way better for dirt cheap, and no problem with them except that they are rather likely to spontaneously self destruct ( No, you won't get those magnificent explosions and fireballs like chinese smartphones. In the worst case they will just start a fire, so no worries thumb.gif)
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Hey guys, waiting for my Aune T1 to come in.

What is the "best" tube I can get for the money? Will be using it with the HD 558. For gaming, music and movies.

Thanks! thumb.gif
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Ah, yes, the Head-fi 'amp synergy' bollocks. And I used to believe in that until science and objective measurements and learning more about the science of audio got in the way. Output impedance is a magical thing, so is different headphone positioning on your head, much like outside noise is is well. The real 'amp synergy' is how the output impedance affects the performance of your headphones.

Anyway, audio science:

e.g



Up to 250Hz, all have the same frequency response (flatline) factoring in isolation factors. Realistically of course things don't factor in until 30Hz as there's very little music 30Hz and below.
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Originally Posted by SinX7 View Post

What is the "best" tube I can get for the money? Will be using it with the HD 558. For gaming, music and movies.

Thanks! thumb.gif

Better off upgrading the source or headphones for the money.

Also the smart man's way to make things 'more bright' or 'darker' or 'warmer'. Cost: $0.

http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-ezq/
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Schiit stuff are on the bright side. Their popular magni, modi are also slightly bright.

The asgard 2 is "ok" if you pair it with dark headphones but it's going to be a nightmare if you use it with the AKG K/Q 701/2s or other similarly "bright" headphones(unless you love treble) .

Moving up from the asgard, most of the schiit stuff are overprices.

This "brightness" that the schiit stuff has usually creates an illusion that it is "more detailed" and a lot of people thinks it's "better" because of this.
It's quite a clever design that fools a lot of people.

If you want best c/p, there are some chinese gear that performs way better for dirt cheap, and no problem with them except that they are rather likely to spontaneously self destruct ( No, you won't get those magnificent explosions and fireballs like chinese smartphones. In the worst case they will just start a fire, so no worries thumb.gif)

I've no idea how the K/Q701/702's sound, as I haven't listened to them, but I wouldn't describe my K712's as bright. They do seem to have a fairly nice balance to them though ^_^

Any gear that is prone to spontaneously destroying itself is something I tend to avoid - doubly so if said failures result in fires a good portion of the time..
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Ah, yes, the Head-fi 'amp synergy' bollocks. And I used to believe in that until science and objective measurements and learning more about the science of audio got in the way. Output impedance is a magical thing, so is different headphone positioning on your head, much like outside noise is is well. The real 'amp synergy' is how the output impedance affects the performance of your headphones.

Anyway, audio science:

e.g



Up to 250Hz, all have the same frequency response (flatline) factoring in isolation factors. Realistically of course things don't factor in until 30Hz as there's very little music 30Hz and below.

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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

Better off upgrading the source or headphones for the money.

Also the smart man's way to make things 'more bright' or 'darker' or 'warmer'. Cost: $0.

http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-ezq/


OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyy goooooooodddddddddddddddd. Please shut up. You just have no idea what you are talking about.
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Schiit stuff are on the bright side. Their popular magni, modi are also slightly bright.

The asgard 2 is "ok" if you pair it with dark headphones but it's going to be a nightmare if you use it with the AKG K/Q 701/2s or other similarly "bright" headphones(unless you love treble) .

Moving up from the asgard, most of the schiit stuff are overprices.

This "brightness" that the schiit stuff has usually creates an illusion that it is "more detailed" and a lot of people thinks it's "better" because of this.
It's quite a clever design that fools a lot of people.

If you want best c/p, there are some chinese gear that performs way better for dirt cheap, and no problem with them except that they are rather likely to spontaneously self destruct ( No, you won't get those magnificent explosions and fireballs like chinese smartphones. In the worst case they will just start a fire, so no worries thumb.gif)

I have to agree. The Asgard 2 pairs so terribly with the Grado SR325i. Also, they are borderline with the HD600.

I'll keep my mouth shut about the 'synergy' thing.
 
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OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyy goooooooodddddddddddddddd. Please shut up. You just have no idea what you are talking about.
Except he does and is right...

Excepting output impedance any competent circuit (practically speaking, just about anything worth discussing) will operate well enough on voltage swing and slew rate that no other factors are worth discussing.

The only possibility is the introduction of nonlinear distortion (e.g. THD, IMD) during playback but this is a dubious contention and hasn't been validated in practice.

"Tube sound" for example is part placebo and part output impedance skewing FR to the impedance curve.
Edited by friend'scatdied - 4/2/14 at 7:19am
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