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Hmmz... I'll go audition the HE-400 tomorrow. If I like it, I'll take it and order the O2 desktop version from Switzerland/Germany. It would be a pain to use my speakers if I got the normal version.
Going to use the Xonar D1 as a DAC for now and upgrade later to ODAC/etc.
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I'm buying a portable audio setup, just have a few questions.

I'm getting the DT770's, which version should I get for use with a laptop but also a portable amp (probably O2 amp)? As far as I can tell they have phased out a lot of the sku's and there is now the 32 Ohm, 80 Ohm and 250 Ohm versions of the Pro and then the DT770M which is 80 Ohm.

I can get the ODAC+O2 combo for £166.99, is there anything better for that price that's portable?

Just an FYI but O2/ODAC is kind of bulky (1.18 x 4.27 x 3.15 inches before any feet / cables) and not that light. Also, it needs AC wall power, at least in that configuration.

For portable / laptop I'd rather get something smaller that runs off USB power.

Though possibly consider ATH-M50 / ATH-M50X over DT-770 if you have smaller ears, as it folds up and is less bulky. Also has somewhat less treble (with 770s being boosted there).
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Just an FYI but O2/ODAC is kind of bulky (1.18 x 4.27 x 3.15 inches before any feet / cables) and not that light. Also, it needs AC wall power, at least in that configuration.

For portable / laptop I'd rather get something smaller that runs off USB power.

Though possibly consider ATH-M50 / ATH-M50X over DT-770 if you have smaller ears, as it folds up and is less bulky. Also has somewhat less treble (with 770s being boosted there).

I should have specified 'portable'.

 

It won't be used on the move, I just want an AIO device that can be shoved in my bag as I moved between Universities, hotels etc. When I'm using it, it will be on a desk.

 

DT770's are a must really, because that's the standard headphone at work. So I want to keep it consistent.

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Yeah, O2/ODAC is good if you don't mind the kind of inelegance of the setup (in terms of connectors, plugs, not sonically) as a kind of desktop or portable unit.
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Yeah, O2/ODAC is good if you don't mind the kind of inelegance of the setup (in terms of connectors, plugs, not sonically) as a kind of desktop or portable unit.

So there's nothing better for the price? Thanks.

 

Any input on which version of the DT770's to go with? They will mostly be used with an amp but I would like them to work with onboard laptop audio as well if needed.

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transformer coupled amplifiers are lovely. why not just order a pair off Amazon and send them back? Amazon has a pretty good return policy.
What is transformer coupled amplifier?

Oh wait, I missed seeing this.

Amplifiers need a transformer somewhere in their power supplies if taking in AC power, but "transformer coupled amplifier" implies the signal itself is carried across the sides of a transformer, generally after the bulk of the output electronics. So there's a transformer between the output and the headphones. A transformer is just an arrangement of loops of wire (so inductors) with two sides, that transfers an AC voltage from one side to an AC voltage on the other side through the mutual inductance. The output is supposed to be a scaled version (scaled up or down) of the input.

In practice this is generally used in audio amplifiers these days for relatively expensive amplifiers that use vacuum tubes for the power output. It's one way to get around the challenges of using vacuum tubes for that purpose; they're good at high voltages but not so much at sourcing large amounts of current. So the transformer can step down a high voltage into a more sensible range, while providing some other benefits as a result of that electrical configuration. Good quality transformers for this kind of audio application with the specs required are expensive because of all the copper required and manufacturing, low volume of product sold, etc. Hence designs using them are relatively expensive.

In other words, it's a type of audio product that might be cool and/or might sound good. YMMV. But really, that depends on the whole design, and the fact of using a transformer like that doesn't say all that much.

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So there's nothing better for the price? Thanks.

Any input on which version of the DT770's to go with? They will mostly be used with an amp but I would like them to work with onboard laptop audio as well if needed.

Well, with respect to O2/ODAC, think about it this way: somebody's taking a cut on large board runs of machine-soldered ODACs, and somebody's got to stuff those <100 parts on the O2 and put the thing together and do customer support and make money. But essentially you're not paying (much) for R&D, and prices are not inflated because anybody could do the latter job and undercut prices, selling for less. The performance and features are proven.

As for DT 770 version, if price is no object I would tend towards a premium version just for the lower clamping force. tongue.gif

Depending on listening volumes / habits, I'd think 250 ohms would be fine on most laptops in a pinch as long as you're not planning on blasting things. I'd just get that.
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What is transformer coupled amplifier?

Yeah, Amazon has good return policy... hell, I can probably order HD800 for $1100 and then return it if I don't like it, only need to pay shipping. I've never bought anything so expensive from Amazon before though, it would be a Jesus facepalm moment if they have a line of fine print that says "Returns of items valued $500 or less" or something, or a 15% restocking fee. THAT would suck!

Thank you for the info. I'll look into it! biggrin.gif  

this is a lot easier

http://www.hificollective.co.uk/pdf/otl_head.pdf

you don't need to read the whole thing.. just the first couple paragraphs.

Bottlehead Crack, Woo Audio WA3 and Schiit Valhalla are OTL
WooAudio WA6/WA6SE, Analog Design Labs Svetlana2, Icon Audio HP8 MKIII are OTC
Schiit Vali, Schiit Lyr, HiFiMAN EF5, Cary Audio HH-1 are hybrid tube amps

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Well, with respect to O2/ODAC, think about it this way: somebody's taking a cut on large board runs of machine-soldered ODACs, and somebody's got to stuff those <100 parts on the O2 and put the thing together and do customer support and make money. But essentially you're not paying (much) for R&D, and prices are not inflated because anybody could do the latter job and undercut prices, selling for less. The performance and features are proven.

As for DT 770 version, if price is no object I would tend towards a premium version just for the lower clamping force. tongue.gif

Depending on listening volumes / habits, I'd think 250 ohms would be fine on most laptops in a pinch as long as you're not planning on blasting things. I'd just get that.

Thanks! I'll think I'll grab the 250 ohm Pro's and the O2/ODAC combo.

 

I would grab the Premiums but they were discontinued a while ago and are pretty hard to find nowadays. They are probably a lot more expensive too. I do agree they are better though, my DT880 Premiums are the most comfortable headphones ever.

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Thanks! I'll think I'll grab the 250 ohm Pro's and the O2/ODAC combo.

I would grab the Premiums but they were discontinued a while ago and are pretty hard to find nowadays. They are probably a lot more expensive too. I do agree they are better though, my DT880 Premiums are the most comfortable headphones ever.
The 250 ohm will always need an amp to sound decent. Even the 80's sounded very thin and weak from a phone or laptop.
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