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Yeah, O2/ODAC is good if you don't mind the kind of inelegance of the setup (in terms of connectors, plugs, not sonically) as a kind of desktop or portable unit.
I was looking at NWavguy's blog:
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/11/objective-desktop-amp-oda-dac.html

And it notes that the desktop version has a few minor improvements compared to the battery-powered version:
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ODA VS O2: So what makes the the ODA different and more desirable for desktop use? The main O2 thread on diyAudio is flirting with 1000 posts. And, collectively, there are another 1000+ posts and messages elsewhere. Some clear consensus stood out in what many wanted in a desktop headphone amp:
  • Optional Internal 24/96 High Resolution USB DAC – The number one requested “upgrade” to the O2 is a DAC that’s designed and measured to similar standards of high performance. Just such a DAC is well under development for the ODA (see below).


  • Higher Quality Inputs margin-bottom:.25em;padding-bottom:.25em;padding-top:.25em;">Rear Panel Connections – The ODA has the power and input connections in back to keep the cables out of the way for a cleaner look and better ergonomics (the downside being another relatively expensive panel to buy).


  • Wider Source Compatibility – The ODA should work with anything from an iPod Line Out Dock (LOD) to high output home DACs with a wide range of headphones. It has more flexible gain options compared to the O2.


  • Higher Quality Power Supply – The half-wave power supply in the O2 is something of a compromise for size, cost, and battery charging reasons. The ODA power supply improves on the O2’s in several ways.


  • Headphone Protection Relay – The O2, like many amps, produces a “click” in the headphones when you turn it on and a soft “thump” when you turn it off. The ODA uses a headphone relay to eliminate these noises and provide added protection for expensive headphones.


  • Other Possible Upgrades – Depending on how the details sort out, the ODA may have some other upgrades as well such as a possible preamp/line output.





The normal version seems to lack the quarter inch input.

JDS Labs does not sell desktop variant, but Mayflower does.

Would a Objective Desktop Amp + ODAC with HD800 be a match made in heaven? guitar.gif

That's actually a misunderstanding and a very reasonable one. The guy never actually got around to designing the ODA before disappearing from the Internets.

Note that the O2 itself has a Creative Commons open source no derivatives license, so people aren't allowed to make changes to that design. What you see some people selling as a desktop O2 is just the normal O2 (and its exact same PCB and active components) stuffed inside a larger enclosure with say point-to-point wiring inside to connect the output to a 1/4" jack or some other changes on that level.

Certainly those variants are also options, but I wouldn't get too hung up on the amp. The O2 isn't the only headphone amp at all that achieves good specifications (with imperfections essentially claimed to be beyond the thresholds of audibility other than maybe the volume control channel imbalance at low volumes). In fact, higher performance DIY options even exist, which shouldn't be surprising if you look at the O2's very simple parts list and schematic, not to mention other commercial offerings, if that's what you're gunning for.
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That's actually a misunderstanding and a very reasonable one. The guy never actually got around to designing the ODA before disappearing from the Internets.

Note that the O2 itself has a Creative Commons open source no derivatives license, so people aren't allowed to make changes to that design. What you see some people selling as a desktop O2 is just the normal O2 (and its exact same PCB and active components) stuffed inside a larger enclosure with say point-to-point wiring inside to connect the output to a 1/4" jack or some other changes on that level.

Certainly those variants are also options, but I wouldn't get too hung up on the amp. The O2 isn't the only headphone amp at all that achieves good specifications (with imperfections essentially claimed to be beyond the thresholds of audibility other than maybe the volume control channel imbalance at low volumes). In fact, higher performance DIY options even exist, which shouldn't be surprising if you look at the O2's very simple parts list and schematic, not to mention other commercial offerings, if that's what you're gunning for.

Oh interesting. If I hypothetically get HD800 though, it has a quarter inch connector. So to my knowledge it cannot plug into a normal Objective Amp. I could probably get some converter for it. Looking at the price difference though: 

https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/digital-to-analog-converters/objective2-with-odac/

https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/mayflower-custom-products/desktop-objective2-with-odac/

$80 change in price. 0_o

 

I've seen a little bit of "How to assemble ODAC+AMP" from Mayflower's video and it seems intimidating to me. I've never done anything like that. I've built a PC, but I've never started adding stuff onto a PCB and doing soldering. So by DIY options I'm assuming you mean a DIY kit, never preassembled? Even then, I'm always curious. What DIY kits are there?

When you buy a budget item, you will probably upgrade later. But you'll want to sell the old stuff. That's a lot of hassle, and there's always net loss involved. It's better to go straight to the good stuff and just stick with it. So the idea of getting HD800, Objective DAC + AMP and throwing my arms in the air and yelling 'DONE!' is enticing. I do still play some Battlefield and I'm pretty tired of getting knifed by somebody behind me. I think the HD800 and the Objective combo would help with that while making the sound quality much better than what I currently have.


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Oh interesting. If I hypothetically get HD800 though, it has a quarter inch connector. So to my knowledge it cannot plug into a normal Objective Amp. I could probably get some converter for it. Looking at the price difference though: 
https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/digital-to-analog-converters/objective2-with-odac/
https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/mayflower-custom-products/desktop-objective2-with-odac/
$80 change in price. 0_o

I've seen a little bit of "How to assemble ODAC+AMP" from Mayflower's video and it seems intimidating to me. I've never done anything like that. I've built a PC, but I've never started adding stuff onto a PCB and doing soldering. So by DIY options I'm assuming you mean a DIY kit, never preassembled? Even then, I'm always curious. What DIY kits are there?


When you buy a budget item, you will probably upgrade later. But you'll want to sell the old stuff. That's a lot of hassle, and there's always net loss involved. It's better to go straight to the good stuff and just stick with it. So the idea of getting HD800, Objective DAC + AMP and throwing my arms in the air and yelling 'DONE!' is enticing. I do still play some Battlefield and I'm pretty tired of getting knifed by somebody behind me. I think the HD800 and the Objective combo would help with that while making the sound quality much better than what I currently have.

Yes, you can call it done for the headphone part if you get HD800( and like it).

I think for the O2+ODAC, you can try SRH 1840 and TH600, they are about half the price of HD800 and not as demanding.
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You can always use a 1/4" -> 1/8" adapter. Like this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/601983-REG/Sennheiser_092595_3_5mm_Plug_to_6_3mm.html

(too lazy to find a better price at the moment, just for illustrative purposes)

I guess what I mean by DIY options is publicly available designs with documents for the components and layout for an amp. There are some DIY DACs but because of licensing issues with chips and other things like difficulty of design, they usually have to use older options or make some compromises.

Sometimes this means kits you can buy from somewhere. Other times you need to scrounge for parts in your parts box (heh) or some electronics parts distributor like Mouser, DigiKey, etc. Sometimes casework is defined; other times everything from a case, power supply, volume control, and more may be up to you do design and make yourself. (so for many, degree of difficulty ranges from a stretch to out of the question) And if you don't already have gear to assemble and measure the stuff, raw parts, etc. it may not be that cheap anyway. This was mostly an aside and not necessarily a serious suggestion.

Some links if you're curious:
http://www.amb.org/audio/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-RA1-Headphone-Amplifier-Kit-Power-AMP-JRC4556AD-/221267088242
http://www.jdslabs.com/products/82/objective2-diy-kit/
http://www.head-fi.org/t/537398/list-of-diy-headphone-amplifiers


The issue with audio in games is in large part the very subpar acoustic modeling, so even if playback gear is improved, there's definitely still a ceiling, so to speak. Also, for directional cues, it's always going to be a little off on headphones unless you have personalized HRTF modeling, which is not going to happen. Better sound in general is definitely achievable though.

Whichever headphones you get, nothing is that close to perfect. Regardless, unless you aspire to be a gear junkie, I would recommend yelling "DONE!" regardless. thumb.gif
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In general I think you're asking for trouble if using something like the above (a single piece) like most headphones terminated in 1/4" come with. That's way too much weight stiffly hanging off that far of a 1/8" jack. Even without the cable's weight; you're pretty much torquing the construction nonstop with that kind of adapter.

Also, the extra mass might get in the way of pressing power or turning volume.

Maybe that's just me.
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In general I think you're asking for trouble if using something like the above (a single piece) like most headphones terminated in 1/4" come with. That's way too much weight stiffly hanging off that far of a 1/8" jack. Even without the cable's weight; you're pretty much torquing the construction nonstop with that kind of adapter.

Also, the extra mass might get in the way of pressing power or turning volume.

Maybe that's just me.

I agree, I've had my 1/4 to 3.5 mm plug slightly (about less than 1mm but you can tell) bend (it still works though) and would recommend the first option you gave, though it is a bit more expensive.

I just wanted to give him other options if he felt the need to find cheaper alternatives.
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Tested different headphones for about 1,5 hours (ofc had my DT770 with me too).

HE-300 was also "ok" but didn't feel too much of a upgrade over the DT770. And the price was 260€ rolleyes.gif
AKG K242HD was... Something horrible to me for some reason. It sounded like a distorted version of HD681Evo headscratch.gif But with a 4x higher pricetag...
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