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Although I do not think that there is any problem buying the HD800, you can sell them off with almost no loss. I still strongly suggest that, if possible, you should try before you buy.

Be warned though, that the HD800 is not hard to drive, not like some orthos, but they are demanding. They are very revealing, and will show any flaws in the chain, a reason why some people like to use tube amp for it, which somewhat hides imperfections by adding more stuff.

Yea, even on the hdvd 800, the HD800 only sounded "ok" so I personally see it as "recommended system requirement" for hd 800.
Like playing a game on a pc which met "recommended requirement", it's quite playable, but you are not getting everything out of it.

Let's just say that for a decent HD 800 setup, HD800 itself is just the tip of the iceberg.

??

O2 Dac+Amp should be enough.

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??
O2 Dac+Amp should be enough.

He's letting you know that the HD800 is going to take every small inconsistency in your system and amplify it. For instance, shoddily recorded music is going to really show and make you realize how much you hate bad producers. The same goes for any other part of your chain that isn't up to snuff. Yes the ODAC+O2 combo might give it a decent amount of juice, but if the ODAC+O2 is slightly harsh with other headphones, the HD800 might reiterate that 'flaw/deficiency' tenfold. Even the HD650 can make you very aware of mediocre recordings and amp/DAC deficiencies.
 
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While an O2+ODAC might be enough to power it, you might be better of with a more expensive DAC and amp with cheaper headphones.
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What for? What benefits can a more expensive dac/amp give?

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What for? What benefits can a more expensive dac/amp give?

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What for? What benefits can a more expensive dac/amp give?

What benefit would an O2 and ODAC give over onboard?

The answer is generally the same.
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What benefit would an O2 and ODAC give over onboard?

The answer is generally the same.

Hmm, my understanding is that even comparing a cheap sound card to an O2 DAC, there isn't really a difference in audio quality. Maybe lower noise floor and a few things, but nothing major. But the amp is required to fully drive the headphones. So that, anything over O2 Dac/Amp combo, I'm not getting all that much.

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Hmm, my understanding is that even comparing a cheap sound card to an O2 DAC, there isn't really a difference in audio quality. Maybe lower noise floor and a few things, but nothing major. But the amp is required to fully drive the headphones. So that, anything over O2 Dac/Amp combo, I'm not getting all that much.
It's true that there is a point of diminishing returns with DAC's and amps, but the same goes with headphones. You might have a better sounding chain with a cheaper headphone and a better source chain. Cannot stress this enough.

I definitely disagree that a cheap sound card sounds as good as an ODAC. I've easily noticed big improvements switching from Xonar DG/ASUS ThunderFX to a Fiio E17/HifimeDIY Sabre Async.
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Regardless of how it all works and what's true, I think I'll put it this way: most people hanging around on audio equipment forums and subforums are not of the persuasion that the electronics make minimal differences. There's a self-selection bias—without as much motivation to be interested in the "peripherals" there is less reason to stick around.

Anyway, some people say they like O2/ODAC with higher end headphones, some citing HD 800. Others don't. Connect the dots yourself.

It'd be better if you had the opportunity to hear these things for yourself (hopefully under more controlled conditions, as friend'scatdied will attest to).
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Audio is a funny topic. It's the only technology-related area of discussion I've been to that has so many conflicting opinions. Audio is subjective but aren't graphics as well? Like this monitor vs that monitor. The Odac/amp from Mayflower has not shipped yet, so it won't be here in time for me to try them with HD800s in the shop. I'm going tomorrow, I'm excited. The place is more of a high-end home theater/audio place in Mountain View. Kind of think that my friend and I will be the only young kids over there, standing out while everybody else is all rich and everything. :sniper:

 

I watched Linus and Barnacules, and both of them have reviewed the Odac/amp and the HD800s (although Linus' review of HD800 is actually an unboxing. God, I don't get why people watch unboxings) and they both seem to be under the impression that Odac/Amp is really all you need and any more is overkill. Specifically, Barnacles compared the Objective to his Wooaudio Firefly tube amp and he couldn't tell a difference in the sound at all. Barnacles is no uber audiophile, but to him the difference between headphones is much, much larger than the difference between this DAC and that DAC. And so that is my impression. I could probably try out different DACs while I"m trying out the HD800s though. 

 

Sorry if I post too much. Before I buy anything I often spend a long time thinking about it. And I change my mind a lot.


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