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Originally Posted by BonzaiTree View Post

Hey guys,

Thanks for the responses but I think I've kind of changed my mind--partially due to me not considering I'd need to upgrade my audio chain to handle high end cans, and partially due to the fact that I've just been invited to another wedding and they want to do an expensive but awesome bachelor party.

New more specific question--what would be the best sub $500 cans with good clarity and soundstage that would pair well with a Vali/Modi stack?

Because I think spending beyond that  I'd need to upgrade my chain and I'd rather not right now. Also, I listen to really all types of music except country. Classical, rock, metal, rap, electronic, dubstep, vocal jazz, etc. etc. 

I also have a pair of DT990's and HD518's if that helps at all.

Cheers!

I would probably go with the AKG K712. I'm probably going to pick up a pair myself.
    
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spending beyond that  I'd need to upgrade my chain

No, you don't.

We've established that DAC differences are largely negligible/non-existent, and people have been using the Vali with HD 800s and the Abyss with good results.
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Well that's good news. I do think the AKG K712 Pro's look pretty darn interesting though, and aren't obscenely expensive.

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They're just the $150 Q701s with memory foam earpads and the headband bumps removed. Not really worth $300+.
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Since the subjective vs. objective thing has been a topic here lately I thought this was relevant. From Jason at Schiit.

Whole thread here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up
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Actually, let's talk about measurements for a bit.

One of the problems in audio is that most common audio analyzers (Audio Precision, Stanford, DScope) have a number of pre-set measurements that make determining things like THD, IMD, S/N ratio, crosstalk, etc relatively simple. Which means this is what most people focus on. And then we get into a numbers game that ends in PPM distortion numbers, etc, which, in our opinion, do not always correlate to great sound.

Now, these types of measurements are important. But you need to take into account two things when making audio measurements, besides the pre-set menus:

1. Is the system set up correctly?

First, whenever anyone says "making measurements is easy and absolute," they haven't read the 312-page manual that comes with a Stanford SR1. I like to ask, "So, how many thousands of hours do you have using an Audio Precision, Stanford, and DScope?" when people assert that measurements are absolute.

For example, something as simple as a bad cable can make your measurements completely meaningless. I've run into this a number of times. Same goes for bad jacks, power cables sitting on top of signal cables going to the analyzer, cellphones sitting next to the analyzer, ground loops, etc. Hell, we even blew up a generator output on one of our Stanfords somehow, and didn’t know it until a bunch of weird measurements led us to do a loopback test.

And measurement can look very different depending on how things are set. Is it spectrum-weighted? Are there hardware filters in place? What’s the FIR window? How much averaging? How many points? What’s the noise floor of the analyzer on wide bandwidth and narrow bandwidth? What THD spikes does the analyzer create?

The reality is, measurements aren’t 100% repeatable. Which is why we provide measurement summaries that are very conservative, rather than long printouts from the Stanfords.

2. Are you measuring the right things?

This is the big one. Looking at standard THD at 1K or 20K or CCIF IMD is one thing—and, to be fair, you still have to look at it over a wide bandwidth, not high-res measurements limited to 30 or 40kHz.

Looking at a multitone source (which the Stanford allows you to create—up combining several different frequencies at once) is much more revealing and interesting. We don’t publish this data because it doesn’t match any industry standards, and also because we’ve come to our own measurement regime that produces what we consider to be meaningful results. However, we could be fooling ourselves, so best to keep it internal.

Also, looking at jitter beyond a Jtest-style signal from the analyzer is more interesting. This is one case where you should not be using an audio analyzer—where it’s better to use an interval counter at the actual clock pins. Measuring things this way quickly makes you question the advantages of today’s buzzword-compliant femto clocks.

But these are only a couple of examples. Do we know all the measurements correlate exactly to a DAC or amplifier’s perceived performance? No. Do we have a better idea of how our products perform? Yes.

So, we’ll keep measuring…and we’ll keep listening…and we’ll keep driving some people crazy because we do both.
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some of the D/A converters I have owned over the years were musical sounding and some were very digital and made old recordings unbearable to listen to. some measured well and some not so much. they all had different features (PCM Filters, DSD Filters, non-oversampling, balanced output, remote control, preamp, displays etc). some had nicer USB implementations (ie XMOS vs older USB receivers like the Tenor 7022). some were better built than others.

I bought the Mytek Stereo 192 DSD because there is a good chance i'm going back to school in the fall. if I don't go back to school i'm going to drop down to a Eastern Electric Minimax, Schiit Gungnir or something else. I don't endorse spending thousands of dollars on a boutique D/A converter.

find a D/A converter with the features you need in your budget. see if anybody has measured it. check some reviews and opinions. if you can't get your hands on one just buy it from a store with a good return policy and the same goes for amplifiers.
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actually I would probably buy a Lampizator if I could afford it redface.gif

http://www.lampizator.eu/NEWDAC/Lampizator/Welcome_to_LampizatOr.html

maybe i'll take a trip to Poland and find one at Good Will thumb.gif
    
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I've really considered the Alpha Dog's, but I'd like to hear them first.

I recently bought the alpha dogs and i think i prefer them to my HE-500s. They probably sound a bit better then the HD650s but i would say the HD650s are better value for money. I havnt heard a lot of closed headphones but they do indeed seem fairly open, and they are very comfy.

I currently have some HE-500's and like them for the most part except I can't usually find a quiet place to listen so I was considering some Alpha Dogs since they're closed back. Could you comment a little more on the differences between the two?

I'm also open to suggestions for any other closed back headphones with a sound similar to the HE-500's if anyone has any input.
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O2 Dac+Amp combo AND HD800s are set to be delivered today. Both from USPS.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not going to tell my mom I bought these.


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O2 Dac+Amp combo AND HD800s are set to be delivered today. Both from USPS.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not going to tell my mom I bought these.

 

Holy hell, how can you afford those when you're still a teen?

I'm jealous.

 

I worked part time all through high school and I still wouldn't have been able to afford all that.

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