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it's a 4 years old model, I think it's this one - Creative SB X-Fi Titanium PCI-E

Well yes. I try to clarify a little:
I'd like to be able to watch the movies I've just mentioned (and also add the likes of The Avengers and We Were Soldiers and so on) in a way, that is as good and loud and precise as a good sound system, but without the neighbors nagging me.
I like it when there's a chaotic gunfight in a movie, and I can hear not just the gunshot, but the shells hitting the floor, and maybe even hearing the distance and direction of the gunshots, if the movie's sound editing is good enough for this of course smile.gif
also what I want during an explosion, the Transformers 1 Scorponok scene is a great example! When the shells from the AC130 hit the ground, or the bullets from the A10's gattling drill into the sand, these effects have a strong bass, that should not just be heard, but also felt punching you in the stomach.
So what I mean by immersion, is a type of headphone, that is able to give me back the authenticity of these scenes and effects, as loud and clear as real life would. As directors imagined them!
And all this goes for games as well smile.gif
Also in We Were Soldiers I love how gunsounds are clearly differentiated, for example I don't have to see in the movie that they are firing M16s, the plastic housing can be heard in the sound, it has a high pitch. At the same time an AK-47 is very different stronger in the mid, with more metal sounds.

Open or closed not a factor. Usually when I would use these headphones there would not be people in the same room with me, no isolation needed. So which ever sounds better, is what I want smile.gif

Price range is not decided yet, first I want to educate myself on the topic, but, well....
many people seem to like the DT990, which is about 50k Ft in Hungary, that's about 250 USD.
That is acceptable, maybe if the price/value ratio is good enough than we can go up to around 300 USD.

Your last question, the supplier/retailer is what I would like to consider as a step 2 of this project smile.gif
Once I know enough and I have my eyes on something I figure out where to get it from.
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250 to 300 $
I'm not sure if I could actually appreciate anything more professional then this price range
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I'd say a regular Titanium is a good enough DAC to start you out with. It could definitely be better, but with a budget of around $250, I'd hate for you to have to spend a great portion of that on a DAC. I think the DT990 is definitely a nice headphone. I didn't get to do any extreme listening to it, but I'd say they are priced appropriately. How is the used market where you're from? Getting an amp for them may be better and cheaper that way. I think every model of the DT990 is pretty needy of an amp.
 
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ok
step 1
what does DAC stand for ? biggrin.gif and how much is a decent one ?
step 2
what if I buy a headphone first, and later on a DAC or the other way around ?
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ok
step 1
what does DAC stand for ? biggrin.gif and how much is a decent one ?
step 2
what if I buy a headphone first, and later on a DAC or the other way around ?

DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. And basically is takes your music from your PC (I.e. in digital form) and converts it to analog so that it can play through your headphones or speakers.

Your sound card acts as both a DAC and an 'amp', but for something like the Beyers, it wouldn't really be up to snuff, hence why I mentioned an amp.

However, even a decent DAC can be had for around $100. The same goes for an amp. A lot of people are recommended to start with the Schiit Modi (DAC) and Magni or Vali (amp), but I'm not sure of the availability where you are. Could you give us a few sites that you normally shop from, or would trust?
 
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Have you ever tried a nicer amp?

Once.

See unlike the CPU debate, where you can simply cite benchmarks and the debate (should usually) be over even though typically it isn't, with a nicer amp, what is there to go on but personal opinion, and other people's opinions?

 

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Well, while we're hopping on that bandwagon...

I once ordered an O2 front panel off Mayflower's eBay because the acrylic one I had from some other source was cracking (err... user error in overtightening screws, really). I ordered the black and got a silver one. wth.gif

He wanted the silver one back before he'd send the correct item, which is reasonable I guess, but I never took him up on it. I know you shouldn't really expect this, but you think after being notified, most small companies / people would just send the correct one free of charge for an item that costs $5 or so shipped. You know, good will and all, plus not needing to bother with restocking a returned item and more.

I think Mayflower needs a bit better quality control or something.

My Dac/amp had a small issue that rendered the entire thing flawed. Paid shipping back, he paid shipping back to me. Little annoying I have to pay shipping back when they made the mistake.

 

On the other hand, JDSLabs is just more expensive. More expensive base cost, more expensive model with quarter inch jack by I think it was 10-20 dollars, plus I have to buy a power cable, another 10 dollars or so. I dunno. What's done is done.

 

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Oh wow - that's...something lol.
Oh well - misplaced stock, isn't what would deter me from a company.
Misinformation in a very fragile market is what really gets me.

If they wanted to win over the community - at least they could have been honest - but that was too much of an ask for them. And the way they went around replying to comments like they know everything was absolutely hilarious.
The Tyler guy got slammed so hard by me and other YouTubers, that he decided to into hibernation, as he knew he was being stupid.

 

 

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I love how audiophile myths part 1 never got a part 2.

And that vid makes me mad because I really enjoy the Tek other than that vid.

 

 

Can we list specific examples of what you hate from the video?

I mean, things like mp3 vs flac is tested time and time again, very few people can properly abx them. Same with 24bit vs 16bit, and all that jazz. I see that you would disagree with Tyler/Logan's opinion that a more expensive dac/amp won't increase sound accuracy but that's one point among a 10 minute video. Or, maybe the idea that its integrated or Objective, that gets you? I think that is a valid criticism.

 

I mean, I upgrade integrated to STX, I really heard no difference at all with my Krk Rokits. Of course, I can't exactly plug in my headphones into integrated to test it with higher end stuff. I really don't expect much of an audible difference going from STX to O2/dac either. It's a nice external package (I kindda hate the idea of installing cards into my PC I don't have to, personal gripe) with improvements over STX which I believe will be inaudible. Just like Barnacules, when he gets O2/Dac after he already bought the $1000 Wooaudio tube amp for himself, ended up asking, 'Did I just waste a THOUSAND dollars?' 

 

I don't have an 'audiophile ear', and neither does Barnacules. But if I can't hear the difference, I don't want to pay for it if it's expensive. Headphones and speakers, yes, I hear a difference there. That's why I decided to get an expensive headphone.

 

The o2/dac is already shipping back to me, scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I will do some listening tests once it's here.


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I see, thx!
well, these two are the most popular PC sites. I buy stuff frequently from them:

http://www.ipon.hu/
http://www.hardverker.hu/

but they don't really focus on audio stuff
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Thing is though, with dual Titans you know exactly what you are getting via benchmarks after benchmarks.
Once.
See unlike the CPU debate, where you can simply cite benchmarks and the debate (should usually) be over even though typically it isn't, with a nicer amp, what is there to go on but personal opinion, and other people's opinions?

I think Mayflower needs a bit better quality control or something.

Can we list specific examples of what you hate from the video?
I mean, things like mp3 vs flac is tested time and time again, very few people can properly abx them. Same with 24bit vs 16bit, and all that jazz. I see that you would disagree with Tyler/Logan's opinion that a more expensive dac/amp won't increase sound accuracy but that's one point among a 10 minute video. Or, maybe the idea that its integrated or Objective, that gets you?

I mean, I upgrade integrated to STX, I really heard no difference at all with my Krk Rokits. Of course, I can't exactly plug in my headphones into integrated to test it with higher end stuff. I really don't expect much of an audible difference going from STX to O2/dac either. It's a nice external package (I kindda hate the idea of installing cards into my PC I don't have to, personal gripe) with improvements over STX which I believe will be inaudible. Just like Barnacules, when he gets O2/Dac after he already bought the $1000 Wooaudio tube amp for himself, ended up asking, 'Did I just waste a THOUSAND dollars?' 

I don't have an 'audiophile ear', and neither does Barnacules. But if I can't hear the difference, I don't want to pay for it if it's expensive. Headphones and speakers, yes, I hear a difference there. That's why I decided to get an expensive headphone.

The o2/dac is already shipping back to me, scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I will do some listening tests once it's here.

search this thread for mayflower - it has been talked to death already when the video came out thumb.gif
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Can we list specific examples of what you hate from the video?
I mean, things like mp3 vs flac is tested time and time again, very few people can properly abx them. Same with 24bit vs 16bit, and all that jazz. I see that you would disagree with Tyler/Logan's opinion that a more expensive dac/amp won't increase sound accuracy but that's one point among a 10 minute video. Or, maybe the idea that its integrated or Objective, that gets you?

I mean, I upgrade integrated to STX, I really heard no difference at all with my Krk Rokits. Of course, I can't exactly plug in my headphones into integrated to test it with higher end stuff. I really don't expect much of an audible difference going from STX to O2/dac either. It's a nice external package (I kindda hate the idea of installing cards into my PC I don't have to, personal gripe) with improvements over STX which I believe will be inaudible. Just like Barnacules, when he gets O2/Dac after he already bought the $1000 Wooaudio tube amp for himself, ended up asking, 'Did I just waste a THOUSAND dollars?' 

I don't have an 'audiophile ear', and neither does Barnacules. But if I can't hear the difference, I don't want to pay for it if it's expensive. Headphones and speakers, yes, I hear a difference there. That's why I decided to get an expensive headphone.

The o2/dac is already shipping back to me, scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I will do some listening tests once it's here.
He upsampled lower quality files to do the testing. He used electronic 8-bit sounding music that he produces. He went into the test convinced there would be no difference.

A proper blind test needs to be with a broad range of music, from a higher quality file source, with an open mind. You try to pick out the differences. If results are mixed, he cannot tell the difference. If the results are consistent, then he can tell the difference.

They also speak about neutral tonal balance from source equipment as an objective necessity. While it has value, coloration is liked and he shouldn't be telling people having coloration in their gear is a bad thing.

My girlfriend was able to pick FLAC every single time over 320Kbps MP3 through my Schiit Modi>Vali>HE-300. The song was Hide and Seek by Imogen heap. The FLAC file was 44.1KHz 16bit ripped from a CD, the MP3 was 320Kbps ripped from the same CD. I set the two songs to random on Foobar and let her listen to the 60 second mark. Replay gain was used to ensure volume was the same.
She was able to pick the FLAC out 10/10 times and knew the MP3 all 13 times it came up. I did give her the first few minutes without having to answer so she had plenty of time to familiarize herself with the sound.

My girlfriend is not an audiophile, she uses an iPhone and Skullcandy Aviators.
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search this thread for mayflower - it has been talked to death already when the video came out thumb.gif

What I saw was disagreement that onboard being as good as a cheap sound card.

My own ears tell me that's true. But I was using ALC 1150 and while performance varies by the way it's integrated, I think for many plugging in a 3.5mm in the back of the computer with a Haswell based mobo or future mobos is good enough for most people. With an old system, I could hear a difference between integrated, it's very obvious. But with the newest integrated sound, I think that difference is quite small now. But again, it's very hard to test sound card vs integrated... With the objective vs integrated it'll be a little easier for me though.

 

Also saw your old post here:

Quote:
 Haha that guy Tyler from the video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ramsfan6237

Has been replying to some comments - I can't help but laugh at some of his comments.
Oh that marketing, that lovely endorsed marketing.

But I could not find the conversation you are talking about.

 

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He upsampled lower quality files to do the testing. He used electronic 8-bit sounding music that he produces. He went into the test convinced there would be no difference.

A proper blind test needs to be with a broad range of music, from a higher quality file source, with an open mind. You try to pick out the differences. If results are mixed, he cannot tell the difference. If the results are consistent, then he can tell the difference.

They also speak about neutral tonal balance from source equipment as an objective necessity. While it has value, coloration is liked and he shouldn't be telling people having coloration in their gear is a bad thing.

My girlfriend was able to pick FLAC every single time over 320Kbps MP3 through my Schiit Modi>Vali>HE-300. The song was Hide and Seek by Imogen heap. The FLAC file was 44.1KHz 16bit ripped from a CD, the MP3 was 320Kbps ripped from the same CD. I set the two songs to random on Foobar and let her listen to the 60 second mark. Replay gain was used to ensure volume was the same.
She was able to pick the FLAC out 10/10 times and knew the MP3 all 13 times it came up. I did give her the first few minutes without having to answer so she had plenty of time to familiarize herself with the sound.

My girlfriend is not an audiophile, she uses an iPhone and Skullcandy Aviators.

About the fact that one should go into a test trying to figure out a difference, I agree with you. I did notice that the testing done in the video seemed a bit off. I don't recall that they upsampled a lower quality file to test. I'll have to check that part out.

 

Question about coloring though. Can't we just use EQ?

 

Hydrogenaudio has done many tests, many people who think they can tell a difference between flac and mp3 but fail and then get an epiphany. I did testing with multiple songs with Krk Rokit 6s a while back. I could not tell a difference. I am actually thinking about trying again, this time with HD800s and the Objective. Things might change as my hardware changes.

 

I know if I can't hear a difference, none of my friends or family members will hear a difference. That's just how it is with the people I know.

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Undelwalt (2017)
(29 items)
 
 
Celapaleis (2013)
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
Other
Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
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Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
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CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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