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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

Wait, if it has bluetooth it must have a DAC too right? Odd that they didn't put a USB or optical input on there. thinking.gif

Adding USB input is a significant cost increase.

Most people are dimwitted and don't realize audio over bluetooth is butchered so they're all about it.

I wouldn't touch this product with a ten foot pole. Want an entry level do-it-all box? PS audio sprout. It does everything. Speaker amp. Headphone amp. Phono preamp, USB input with internal DAC, Bluetooth, folds your clothes, gives massages, etc. $800. That's as cheap as I'd go. Otherwise just buy a freakin boombox man.
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B-stock or used Peachtree gear is the best deal in "all-in-one" audio. About $400-600 for Sabre-outfitted DACs with competent headphone and speaker amplification options.

I quite like my AKG K845BTs, and they don't even support A2DP.
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Adding USB input is a significant cost increase.

Most people are dimwitted and don't realize audio over bluetooth is butchered so they're all about it.

I wouldn't touch this product with a ten foot pole. Want an entry level do-it-all box? PS audio sprout. It does everything. Speaker amp. Headphone amp. Phono preamp, USB input with internal DAC, Bluetooth, folds your clothes, gives massages, etc. $800. That's as cheap as I'd go. Otherwise just buy a freakin boombox man.

Well. The bluetooth + DAC was probably very low cost to add and a nice selling feature. Monoprice is rarely bad for the money too. And comparing an $800 product to a $150 product is asinine.

There is no reason to avoid this product really. You can do decent entry level audio, believe it or not, and you don't have to spend tons of money.
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Well it probably has a DAC that is similar in quality to a basic media player or a computer. So Meh.

My guess is that they saw this being used in 1 of 2 ways.

1: at a computer or desk. In which case you will probably have your own dac.

2: In a living room for very casual listening.

Makes sense, would have gladly paid $50 more for it if it came with an okay dac though.
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Adding USB input is a significant cost increase.

Most people are dimwitted and don't realize audio over bluetooth is butchered so they're all about it.

I wouldn't touch this product with a ten foot pole. Want an entry level do-it-all box? PS audio sprout. It does everything. Speaker amp. Headphone amp. Phono preamp, USB input with internal DAC, Bluetooth, folds your clothes, gives massages, etc. $800. That's as cheap as I'd go. Otherwise just buy a freakin boombox man.

Not everyone might have the same standards as you do, my entire audio setup costs less than "entry level" box. rolleyes.gif
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Anyone here paired the Schiit Valhalla with the Sennheiser HD650s? I see them changing hands a bit on another forum and for around $350AUD it seems an easier jump to make than the Bottlehead Crack (often goes for $600AUD+). Was hoping some people have used them recently with comparisons to other amps I could afford to try smile.gif .
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I have a Valhalla 2 which is very similar to the original. IMO it's one of the best budget OTL tube amps for the HD 650's. It was a HUGE upgrade from my Magni.

The other two I'd recommend are the Little Dot MK III and Bottlehead Crack w/Speedball. The Crack being slightly better but like you say, it's not a good value option in Aus.

As an alternative, I'd recommend the Asgard 2. It's going to be more sterile and most likely less warm for the HD650, but I prefer it this way. I feel the HD650 sounds best with a more neutral/very slightly warm SS amp, while the HD600 is the true hidden beast held back by not amping it with a nice warm tube amp.
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http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=13194

Holy crap. I really want to test this out.

For 150 bucks its a headphone and speaker amp. drool.gif

If this sounds good, this might be a schiit killer.

I feel it's a $50 amp that's $150 because of Bluetooth.



Also, why the hate on Bluetooth audio? IIRC, it has come a long way as a standard and consistently more reliable than an AUX connection or the like.
 
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I feel it's a $50 amp that's $150 because of Bluetooth.

I don't think it's that bad, the no-name Chinese amps on Aliexpress that use 6N2 and 6P15 tube combo goes for around $100 for just the completed circuit board, so I could see $150 for similar internals and a case/bluetooth.
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Also, why the hate on Bluetooth audio? IIRC, it has come a long way as a standard and consistently more reliable than an AUX connection or the like.

I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction to the thought of signals traveling through air vs through a wire. Many people still associate any kind of wireless audio with AM/FM radio signals. That and a wire is always going to have better quality than wireless, but no one talks about how it's relative to the source and speakers/headphones. If you're listening to and MP3 through speakers in a living room, you won't notice a horrible difference. If you're pumping WAV files to your Audeze LCD-2s, you'll notice.
Edited by Blze001 - 10/25/15 at 1:50pm
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I feel it's a $50 amp that's $150 because of Bluetooth.

Hard to say.

Here is my list to determine just how good is the thing.

1: Will it explode and burn your house down?

2: Does it sound better than the magni and vali?

3: Does tube rolling significantly improve the sound?

If it does everything then its a miracle.

If it at least does not blow up your house, then it is successful.
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Hard to say.

Here is my list to determine just how good is the thing.

1: Will it explode and burn your house down?

2: Does it sound better than the magni and vali?

3: Does tube rolling significantly improve the sound?

If it does everything then its a miracle.

If it at least does not blow up your house, then it is successful.
I may have found the specs of the amp. Most likely the Monoprice amp is a modified (improved?) version of Nobsound MS-10D.

Nobsound MS-10D
http://members.iinet.net.au/~cool386/jaycar/jaycar.html

EDIT: Bah, the Monoprice amp could also be Mistral MM-1 amp like stated in this MS-10D review. And it seems that the Jaycar amp is actually the Mistral amp rebranded wth.gif
Edited by Tiihokatti - 10/26/15 at 3:51am
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I may have found the specs of the amp. Most likely the Monoprice amp is a modified (improved?) version of Nobsound MS-10D.

Nobsound MS-10D
http://members.iinet.net.au/~cool386/jaycar/jaycar.html

EDIT: Bah, the Monoprice amp could also be Mistral MM-1 amp like stated in this MS-10D review. And it seems that the Jaycar amp is actually the Mistral amp rebranded wth.gif

AFAIK, both statements are correct. The Jaycar is a rebrand of the Mistral and the Nobsound is a copy of the Jaycar.

All three have decent enough sound, but they're unanimously considered inferior to the Vali, LittleDot, and similar amps that retail for around the same.
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Massdrop's "Grace Design x Massdrop m9XX DAC/Amp" sale is now live, 84/500 sold already.
Seems like a pretty good deal, but $499 is a little out of my budget atm.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/grace-design-x-massdrop-m9xx-dac-amp
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785553/grace-design-x-massdrop-m9xx-dac-amp-review-first-impressions
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