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Whaaaaaaaat the...........

Strange.

See here is the thing that blows my mind when I talk to you. I trust your ability to hear good audio. I know that what you are telling me you are hearing is the truth.

I have good hearing too. And many people usually can hear the same things I hear. We might have different likes and dislikes, but we generally hear the same thing.

Yet somehow you and I hear completely different things. AND at the same time we like the same stuff.

You like stax stuff. I like stax stuff. You are talking about getting magnepans, I love my magnepans.

I could understand if our opinions differed a bit, but we are physically hearing two extremely different things AND other people are hearing the same thing.

I swear to god there is some sort of conspiracy going on. There HAS to be something going on. Does the west coast use lower voltage than the east or something?

Is it so heavily populated over there that you are all just used to more sibilant sounds from sirens and what not. What the hell is it?
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Tjj (and the others that pay attention to these things but who's names I always seem to forget), any thoughts on the various offerings from Violectric?

No idea. Never heard of them.

I am looking at them now and they seem kinda weird.

They have 11 different headphone amps which is bizarre. I have seen companies with 11 or more speaker amps, but headphone amps?

The dacs are also totally bizarre. They have some sort of resampling feature and it has a digital out port???????????

Is this stuff meant to be for audio engineers or something?
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I'd heard of Vioelectric, mainly the V200 IIRC......the much raved Gustard H10 is made based on the V200 design, some would even call the G10 a China made clone of the V200. Regardless, I think they are a relatively understated but respected audio company. If I ain't mistaken, there's a thread (or two) about Violectric V200 over at HeadFi.
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I still think burson amps and cambridge audio dacs are a better route for the mid-fi level.

So does that mean my X-Fi -> Torpedo I -> Q701 is low-fi? blinksmiley.gif

Well, okay, the X-Fi is. I'm still looking for a good DAC that won't murder the wallet.
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No idea. Never heard of them.

I am looking at them now and they seem kinda weird.

They have 11 different headphone amps which is bizarre. I have seen companies with 11 or more speaker amps, but headphone amps?

The dacs are also totally bizarre. They have some sort of resampling feature and it has a digital out port???????????

Is this stuff meant to be for audio engineers or something?

Their parent company is "Lake People" so yup, they originally came from a background in professional audio. Technically, at least from what I could find, they only have five headphone amps (under the Violectric brand, there are more under the Lake People branding), but on the HeadFi threads the most popular are the V200, V220, and V281. The V200 was an update to the V100 if I recall, and I haven't seen any threads about the V90. From what I've read, the V281 is partially based off the V220 (to save costs) but offers the ability to handle balanced headphones.

I asked about them because I'm contemplating the possibility of eventually pulling the pin on a V281 and V800/850 pairing, although I'd be ordering such from their main site because for some reason the Violectric USA website would have the pairing (and the motorized RK27 volume knob on the V281) at almost $1,200 USD (converted from euros) more expensive for the pair. Why the change from the lower price bracket all in one I was previously looking at, and specifically the Oppo HA-1? Well, I don't want an amp that runs super warm all the time as I plan on leaving it on 24/7 (due to regular usage, as well as the fact that I have a bad habit of just leaving things turned on if it's the computer), and I figure I might as well spend a touch more than I was originally thinking in order to keep the purchases to a minimum (aka I want it to be the proverbial "end game" setup, but without it costing a reasonable fortune - aka about $4k USD total being right around the max).
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I'd heard of Vioelectric, mainly the V200 IIRC......the much raved Gustard G10 is made based on the V200 design, some would even call the G10 a China made clone of the V200. Regardless, I think they are a relatively understated but respected audio company. If I ain't mistaken, there's a thread (or two) about Violectric V200 over at HeadFi.

I've read bits and pieces of those threads (I say such because some of the threads are easily a hundred pages long), and Project86 (who appears to be one of the guys that reviews at InnerFidelity?) seems to sing some fairly high praise of the products
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Whaaaaaaaat the...........

Strange.
What were things like at the last meet(s) you went to?

I went to the recent January Bay Area meet and the November Massdrop (SF) meet.

People generally prefer Sennheiser, HiFiMan and Fostex around these parts. The HD 800 is pretty popular (mostly modded) but so are the HD 600 and 650. Everyone seems to love Schiit Multibit gear, but Eddie Current amplification is a preferred pairing.

While HF is well-represented, plenty of the Bay Area folks are from SBAF where the HD 800 and Eddie Current are king (and Audeze and Burson have fallen out of favor). Communities are going to shape impressions a lot --- people will often hear what they are told they will hear or even feel pressure to conform to expectations of the people there for the sake of inclusion and conversation. It's no surprise that meet favorites are usually top-end Stax or Schiit DACs into Eddie Current amps into modded HD 800s.

FWIW Schiit was not nearly as popular here two years ago before their USB revisions and Multibit stuff. The February 2014 Bay Area meet was quite different and Audeze and Burson (and Beyer and other stuff) were far more popular during that time. The market shifts seem to have been fairly recent.
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The HD800s were falling out of favor. Almost everyone and their brother has an LCD2 or LCD3.

Schiit stuff by in large is on the decline, but it is still kind of hanging around. The people with more experience are selling their schiit stuff as the new people buy it up. So its kinda like trickle down schiitonomics.

As far as burson goes, not a lot of people have it. The only reason why is because when they sell their schiit stuff, they usually go to something with tubes. Or they go with some really weird solid state amp that usually sounds worse than the schiit stuff.

Burson is looked at as a more expensive version of schiit stuff, but several LCD2 owners use and swear by the soloist.

A lot of people have deceware, woo audio, bottle head, or a DNA amp. None of which are very good, and most of the people I speak to end up liking the amp my friend built for me a lot more.

Besides the LCD2, a lot of people have Sennheiser HD600s, Beyerdynamic DT880s or 990s, and so on. People generally have like 1 or 2 mid-fi headphones, and then one hi-fi headphone.

Stax is obviously what a lot of people strive for, so there are usually one or two people with Sr-007s at the very least. Mr. Speakers alpha dogs also show up a lot.


Actually.........I went to go see if there were any past meats on head-fi I could link, and by shear happenstance I came across an upcoming meet.


http://www.head-fi.org/t/795030/dc-area-head-fi-meet-saturday-february-27-2016-12-00-noon-4-00-pm-george-mason-regional-library/30

That should give you an idea of how things vary.
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I really dont post here... ever but I thought I'd add some flavor as a Bay Area Head-Fier. Also I want to say that the Eddie Current Zana Duex that BillP brought was sublime at the January meet.

Generally the gear that people bring to meets fall into several categories

A) Unique DIY Gear they want to show off
B) Hard to find gear people want to demo, many times owners of these items are asked specifically to bring them to a meet
C) New gear that has just been released that many users want to hear

Schiit due to their, by comparison to many vendors, high volume fell into the third category. Schiit gear is still extremely popular in the community however most people have now heard it and want to hear other things as such fewer people are inclined to unplug and lug their items to a meet. In addition their highest end DAC, the Yggdrasil, is known to suffer a bit from a need for a warm-up which discourages owners to bring to meets. YMMV on the warm-up however.

At the end of the day its up to the consumer to decide if any reviews, opinions, or random chatter on a site such as HeadFi or any similar site is snake oil or valid. HeadFi Meets are a great way to help you make that decision as you can listen to the gear your self. I would highly encourage anybody in the market for cans to make the effort to attend at least one meet up to really learn whats out there before you make any large purchases.

On the topic of STAX, I just wanted to give my opinion there too since you stated its the target for many. In general yes they sound very very good however for my ears I actually prefer Planar headphones which is why my current primary can is the HiFIMAN HE1000, amped with a Cavali Audio Liquid Carbon and sourced from a Schiit Yggdrasil.
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I guess that I am the only one that likes the Burson products. The Conductor Virtuoso just looks stunning from an aesthetics point of view.




Edited by OC'ing Noob - 2/2/16 at 9:17am
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Sounds a lot like the late 2013 and early 2014 meets over here. I think CS and SBAF have really driven the HD 800 revival/movement, especially given the mod work that starts here.
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On the topic of STAX, I just wanted to give my opinion there too since you stated its the target for many. In general yes they sound very very good however for my ears I actually prefer Planar headphones which is why my current primary can is the HiFIMAN HE1000, amped with a Cavali Audio Liquid Carbon and sourced from a Schiit Yggdrasil.
HeadAmp had the BHSE + SR-007/009 side-by-side with the GSX Mk2 + HE-1000. I thought in general the HE-1000 was too polite and smooth-sounding but interestingly the two friends I brought were split as to which they preferred.

Interesting route going with $3k headphones + $2k DAC and a $600 amplifier. tongue.gif
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Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB Corsair H100i Corsair SP120 High-Performance PWM x2 Noctua NF-F12 iPPC-2000 PWM x2 
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Noctua NF-A9x14 Windows 10 Pro x64 Dell U2715H Logitech G710+ 
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Silverstone SX600-G NCASE M1 v4 Logitech G700s eVGA GTX 590 Mouse Mat 
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Schiit Yggdrasil Unobtainium Amplifier Unobtainium Headphones Cambridge Audio Azur 851A 
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Anthony Gallo Acoustics Reference Strada JH Audio JH13 Pro (Custom Silver Cables) Herman Miller Embody 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7-5960X ASRock X99E-ITX/ac Unobtainium GPU 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-2666 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB Corsair H100i Corsair SP120 High-Performance PWM x2 Noctua NF-F12 iPPC-2000 PWM x2 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Noctua NF-A9x14 Windows 10 Pro x64 Dell U2715H Logitech G710+ 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Silverstone SX600-G NCASE M1 v4 Logitech G700s eVGA GTX 590 Mouse Mat 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Schiit Yggdrasil Unobtainium Amplifier Unobtainium Headphones Cambridge Audio Azur 851A 
AudioAudioOther
Anthony Gallo Acoustics Reference Strada JH Audio JH13 Pro (Custom Silver Cables) Herman Miller Embody 
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