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What did you think of the LCD-2?
Fair warning: I am no expert at music and this was off of only 20 minutes of listening. They were closing up shop and I had already been there for 2 hours listening to the headphones and 2 separate Dac/Amp.
I liked them, they were a much more comfortable for me stock than the HD800s actually but that is an easy fix. The soundstage was freaking amazing and it had some of the best lows and midrange that I had heard out of all of them comparatively. The lower notes just had a certain depth to them that I didn't quite feel whenever I was listening to the same song on the HD800s. Only thing that I noticed was the high notes while I listened to some of the instrumental music (Piano, flute, saxaphone etc) didn't seem to have that flair in them, not that it struggled to produce the note but seemed less natural like. It could also be that I am not used to listening to something THAT natural and just sounded different.
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Glad to hear you found something you like! However, if you weren't 'sold' by the HD650, don't think that means you have to settle tongue.gif. Did you have the chance to try the HD600 as well?

As for the tubes part....I think Tjj may come in here and rant for about half a page about how stupid that statement is tongue.gif. Of course it introduces noise into the signal...I mean that's literally what tube amps are made to do. However, Sennheiser HD600 and HD650 + tube amps have always been a popular choice for as many years as I've known anything about headphones. I generally prefer solid state amps with the HD650 because it's already a warmer headphone, but I feel the complete opposite about the HD600.

And unfortunately, I know nothing about those two amps that were mentioned, but in the end, remember those guys are salesmen. The great part about Schiit stuff is you get a 15 day no-questions-asked return policy in the event that you don't like them. To me it sounds like that dealer loses a lot of money to Schiit as one, they're not authorized to sell them, and two, people generally like it and are recommended it over the stuff they carry.
They didn't actually have the HD600 out for listening when I visited but i've read a lot about some of the different opinions that people have had about the two and think that I would prefer the 650s more now that I have a reference point. I hadn't seen either of those 2 brands even mentioned in this thread while i've read up on things in the past so I wasn't too sure. They are salesman and do work off of commission which is why I took it in for consideration but posed the question to you lovely people! I figured that combining a Dac and Amp you will have to have some type of sacrifice by nature otherwise more people would be doing it. Unfortunately the store I visited is the only store that I can visit to try equipment out since Best Buy magnolia doesn't exactly have these headphones on Display. There is a head-fi meet I was considering going to but 4 hour drive one way heh. I was thinking of possibly saving for an extra month and trying the Schiit Lyr 2 since it is a hybrid solid state and tube Amp, I could select whichever or both for the headphones that I am listening to at the time. Just not sure if the $100 for v2 or even the $200 for L2 is worth it for the tubes. Could save the money and just get the A2 which I am sure would be a solid setup since I am coming from headphones plugged into the back of a motherboard for my source and some less stellar headphones.
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Fair warning: I am no expert at music and this was off of only 20 minutes of listening. They were closing up shop and I had already been there for 2 hours listening to the headphones and 2 separate Dac/Amp.
I liked them, they were a much more comfortable for me stock than the HD800s actually but that is an easy fix. The soundstage was freaking amazing and it had some of the best lows and midrange that I had heard out of all of them comparatively. The lower notes just had a certain depth to them that I didn't quite feel whenever I was listening to the same song on the HD800s. Only thing that I noticed was the high notes while I listened to some of the instrumental music (Piano, flute, saxaphone etc) didn't seem to have that flair in them, not that it struggled to produce the note but seemed less natural like. It could also be that I am not used to listening to something THAT natural and just sounded different.
They didn't actually have the HD600 out for listening when I visited but i've read a lot about some of the different opinions that people have had about the two and think that I would prefer the 650s more now that I have a reference point. I hadn't seen either of those 2 brands even mentioned in this thread while i've read up on things in the past so I wasn't too sure. They are salesman and do work off of commission which is why I took it in for consideration but posed the question to you lovely people! I figured that combining a Dac and Amp you will have to have some type of sacrifice by nature otherwise more people would be doing it. Unfortunately the store I visited is the only store that I can visit to try equipment out since Best Buy magnolia doesn't exactly have these headphones on Display. There is a head-fi meet I was considering going to but 4 hour drive one way heh. I was thinking of possibly saving for an extra month and trying the Schiit Lyr 2 since it is a hybrid solid state and tube Amp, I could select whichever or both for the headphones that I am listening to at the time. Just not sure if the $100 for v2 or even the $200 for L2 is worth it for the tubes. Could save the money and just get the A2 which I am sure would be a solid setup since I am coming from headphones plugged into the back of a motherboard for my source and some less stellar headphones.

if you want to save some money, lot of people say these sound 90-95% like the HD650's, (if you want drop $500 more to get that other 5% thats up to you) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA08C3H14853 they often go on sale for 59.99 and require basically nothing to amp, a good dac would be nice tho, i just use a schiit fulla.
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if you want to save some money, lot of people say these sound 90-95% like the HD650's, (if you want drop $500 more to get that other 5% thats up to you) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA08C3H14853 they often go on sale for 59.99 and require basically nothing to amp, a good dac would be nice tho, i just use a schiit fulla.

I remember our club giving away one of those last year. Great entry level headphones. Too bad the pads aren't replaceable, at least not to my knowledge.
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I remember our club giving away one of those last year. Great entry level headphones. Too bad the pads aren't replaceable, at least not to my knowledge.

they are not replaceable, they are decent tho, i would like to put my hm5's on them if i could. oh well, still super comfy.
    
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if you want to save some money, lot of people say these sound 90-95% like the HD650's, (if you want drop $500 more to get that other 5% thats up to you) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA08C3H14853 they often go on sale for 59.99 and require basically nothing to amp, a good dac would be nice tho, i just use a schiit fulla.

I will probably end up getting those to start with then get my Amp/DAC ; visit the Audio store and listen to the 650's again, if I like them more then buy those as well. Grab a DragonFly or Fulla like you mentioned and use them with my laptop while i'm away or traveling since they won't aren't as expensive lol.
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i got my t90s up for sale on ebay tonight... STAX are shipped out... i also bought a headphone stand for them that will arriving soon... looking forward to it smile.gif only other headphone issue I am doing is my go to bass cans, my fostex t20rp get here friday which are said to have deeper bass than my t50rp, so whoever wins that fight will be my bass cans. and STAX SR-207 for everything else. I might even Ebay my SR-207 at some point to get the new SR-301 for $370 (headphones only and keep the amp that comes with my 207s) prob end up being very little out of pocket for a decent upgrade to the headphones. They just came out I think April 2016 and have more bass than the 207s, so that would be dream setup, wouldn't even need fostex then

edit: @farih if i could back to get my x2's at the $199 price i got them at, i would have dealt with the glue/poor quality control and just never bought another set of cans again as long as i lived. the soundstage and accuracy of the soundstage is out of this world for gaming. I hope my STAX are good for gaming, I like that immersion of when someone is creeping up behind me and i hear their footsteps... none of my other cans have been able to do that, only my x2's... gah if it was for that glue on the can... stupid quality control ; ;
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Fair warning: I am no expert at music and this was off of only 20 minutes of listening. They were closing up shop and I had already been there for 2 hours listening to the headphones and 2 separate Dac/Amp.
I liked them, they were a much more comfortable for me stock than the HD800s actually but that is an easy fix. The soundstage was freaking amazing and it had some of the best lows and midrange that I had heard out of all of them comparatively. The lower notes just had a certain depth to them that I didn't quite feel whenever I was listening to the same song on the HD800s. Only thing that I noticed was the high notes while I listened to some of the instrumental music (Piano, flute, saxaphone etc) didn't seem to have that flair in them, not that it struggled to produce the note but seemed less natural like. It could also be that I am not used to listening to something THAT natural and just sounded different.
They didn't actually have the HD600 out for listening when I visited but i've read a lot about some of the different opinions that people have had about the two and think that I would prefer the 650s more now that I have a reference point. I hadn't seen either of those 2 brands even mentioned in this thread while i've read up on things in the past so I wasn't too sure. They are salesman and do work off of commission which is why I took it in for consideration but posed the question to you lovely people! I figured that combining a Dac and Amp you will have to have some type of sacrifice by nature otherwise more people would be doing it. Unfortunately the store I visited is the only store that I can visit to try equipment out since Best Buy magnolia doesn't exactly have these headphones on Display. There is a head-fi meet I was considering going to but 4 hour drive one way heh. I was thinking of possibly saving for an extra month and trying the Schiit Lyr 2 since it is a hybrid solid state and tube Amp, I could select whichever or both for the headphones that I am listening to at the time. Just not sure if the $100 for v2 or even the $200 for L2 is worth it for the tubes. Could save the money and just get the A2 which I am sure would be a solid setup since I am coming from headphones plugged into the back of a motherboard for my source and some less stellar headphones.

So my suggestion is to grab an amp first. Reason I say this is I looked up your motherboard and believe it or not you have a very decent Realtek chip. The 1150 actually measures really decently for onboard audio. Enough so that a sound card won't provide much if any benefit for you over onboard. I've tested it and it's very clean. There's definitely a difference between that and a dedicated setup, but it wouldn't be the worst thing to do when getting an amp.
 
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Went to the Audio store today because I didn't want to wait until Thursday haha. I listened to the Audeze EL-18, AudioQuest Nighthawk, and the HD650's. I also listened to the Audeze LC2's and HD800s for giggles although way out of my price range.

The EL-18 lower range sounded awful to me, all over the place and not very consistent, so then I went to the Nighthawk, which had much better bass in my opinion but the higher frequencies seem to have fallen off to me which is unfortunate because I like to listen to classical music fairly often actually. Then to the HD650's, the base wasn't as deep as it was on the Nighthawk but it hit those higher range frequencies a lot better. I can see now why you guys were saying that it is a pretty well rounded set of cans. I actually found the HD800s to be uncomfortable on the stock ear pieces, I am sure that normally you would replace them but the stock HD650s were much better and didn't mess with my glasses almost at all. I think for the $325 the HD650s will be my first pair of hi-fi headphones!

I tried out the 2 Amp/DAC that the gentlemen said would go well. Once of them was the NAD-D1050 which sounded a bit more natural and offered some better bass. Then I also tried out the Chord Mojo in which he said would give the better DAC and beat any Schiit stack easily. Claimed that going with a combo isn't necessarily better or worse than going with 2 separate units, DAC & Amp. The gentlemen also recommended going with a solid state amp as tube amps generally just introduce noise into the signal. Is there any truth to those two comments? Are either of those ones that he recommended good combinations for the DAC/Amp? Was already considering a Schiit stack(Bifrost+A2) or the Jolida Glass FX tube dac III.
I don't think he's wrong but, the advantage of separate units is that you could get another amp or DAC down the line without needing to replace both.
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@caenlen, have there been any new tracks lately that grabbed your attention for testing headphones? I can think of a couple of FLAC files that I'd be interested to hear on the STAX setup.
   
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@caenlen, have there been any new tracks lately that grabbed your attention for testing headphones? I can think of a couple of FLAC files that I'd be interested to hear on the STAX setup.

I have about 40 FLAC's I shuffle play in Groove(dunno why but foorbar hasn't been working for me lately) but most of those are Japanese names so I can't tell you the name if I wanted to. Mostly from anime/game OST's.
    
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