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Originally Posted by thuNDa View Post

This is what you call Equalization?

THAT is Equalization: biggrin.gif
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Device: all
Channel: ALL

Preamp: -8 dB
Stage: post-mix

Filter: ON LS Fc 42 Hz Gain 3.5 dB
Filter: ON LSC 12 dB Fc 200 Hz Gain 4 dB
Filter: ON PK Fc 1500 Hz Gain 3 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 2400 Hz Gain -2 dB BW Oct 0.2333
Filter: ON PK Fc 2918 Hz Gain 4 dB BW Oct 0.2333
Filter: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain 5 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 8770 Hz Gain 3 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 8900 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 7.1007
Filter: ON HS 10.7862 dB Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2 dB
Filter: ON PK Fc 9000 Hz Gain 4 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 9500 Hz Gain 2 dB BW Oct 0.0442
Filter: ON PK Fc 9750 Hz Gain 4 dB BW Oct 0.0442
Filter: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain 5 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 10770 Hz Gain 6 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 11750 Hz Gain -2 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 13300 Hz Gain -3 dB BW Oct 0.1442

GraphicEQ: 20 0; 80 0; 2000 0; 19231 -3

Channel: L
Filter: ON PK Fc 6200 Hz Gain -1.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 8000 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 4.32
Filter: ON PK Fc 8300 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 8772 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 15
Filter: ON PK Fc 8930 Hz Gain -3.5 dB BW Oct 1.442
Filter: ON PK Fc 9250 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 9465 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 10500 Hz Gain 0 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 11370 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 11770 Hz Gain 2.5 dB Q 10

Channel: R
Filter: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain -1.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 6000 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 6458 Hz Gain 3.5 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 8110 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 8300 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 4.32
Filter: ON PK Fc 8956 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 15
Filter: ON PK Fc 9200 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain -1.5 dB Q 4.32
Filter: ON PK Fc 10770 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 4.32
Filter: ON PK Fc 11150 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 15
Filter: ON PK Fc 13650 Hz Gain 2.5 dB BW Oct 0.1442

or my EQ for flat (perceived!) response(copied the curve from Sonarworks Reference + some L/R equalization for driver mismatch tongue.gif):
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Preamp: -8 dB
Stage: post-mix

Filter: ON PK Fc 10 Hz Gain 1 dB BW Oct 1.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 35 Hz Gain 6.37 dB BW Oct 1.7
Filter: ON PK Fc 100 Hz Gain 0.8 dB BW Oct 0.4442
Filter: ON PK Fc 119 Hz Gain -1 dB BW Oct 0.9442
Filter: ON PK Fc 282.4 Hz Gain -3.39 dB BW Oct 1.29
Filter: ON PK Fc 636.84 Hz Gain -1.7 dB BW Oct 0.7112
Filter: ON PK Fc 820 Hz Gain -1 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 990 Hz Gain -1.5 dB BW Oct 0.3442
Filter: ON PK Fc 1285.3 Hz Gain 1 dB BW Oct 0.4112
Filter: ON PK Fc 1634.73 Hz Gain 1 dB BW Oct 0.5689
Filter: ON PK Fc 2230 Hz Gain -2.3 dB BW Oct 0.6
Filter: ON PK Fc 3231 Hz Gain 5.5 dB BW Oct 0.43
Filter: ON PK Fc 4446.47 Hz Gain 1.21 dB BW Oct 0.2741
Filter: ON PK Fc 5500 Hz Gain -1.2 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 7378 Hz Gain -6.5 dB BW Oct 0.5267
Filter: ON PK Fc 9763 Hz Gain -4.8 dB BW Oct 0.42
Filter: ON PK Fc 8548 Hz Gain 2.5 dB BW Oct 0.2844
Filter: ON PK Fc 14782.1 Hz Gain -0.09 dB BW Oct 0.4741
Filter: ON PK Fc 11660 Hz Gain -1 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 14141 Hz Gain 2 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 16578 Hz Gain -1.5 dB BW Oct 0.25
Filter: ON PK Fc 20000 Hz Gain 8.67 dB BW Oct 0.2559

Stage: post-mix
Channel: L
Filter: ON PK Fc 4350 Hz Gain -2 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 6125 Hz Gain -2.5 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 8600 Hz Gain -2 dB BW Oct 0.1442

Channel: R
Filter: ON PK Fc 5800 Hz Gain 1 dB BW Oct 0.2
Filter: ON PK Fc 6125 Hz Gain 2.5 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 8150 Hz Gain -1.5 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 8700 Hz Gain 3 dB BW Oct 0.1442
Filter: ON PK Fc 9500 Hz Gain -5 dB BW Oct 0.2442
Filter: ON PK Fc 11750 Hz Gain -1 dB BW Oct 0.1442

I like my own better than flat tho, while flat is not boring it's not as euphonic as i like it to be.

BTW, AKG K712 here and EQ APO is just an incredible EQ for windows!

If you got any guide and/or tips for using EqualizerAPO like a pro then please do tell wink.gif
Like what does the quality setting under the slider mean/do ? or the filter underneath that ? (is that shape of roll off ?)

On my DT990 i use the Sonarworks plugin and sounds really good, the HD650 didnt sound to great with the plugin though frown.gif
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post #32732 of 38574
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

3 steps to make your HD650 sound awesome. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

1. Download and instal EqualizerAPO and run PEACE within the EqualizerAPO config folder.

2. Set up the PEACE equalizer like this:


(dont forget to set pre-amp to -4db)

3. Play these in Spotify Premiun (With high quality streaming enabled and auto volume level disabled)

https://open.spotify.com/track/6jh1NLZN2lsUh9XdElVRpz

https://open.spotify.com/track/4Dh159RMMCGPyRjZhK4Uni



wheee.gifheadphone.gif Enjoy headphone.gifwheee.gif




I have tried the below curve on Both my HD650 and D2K ML cups. I am surprised and not in a good way.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


This may be just me, or old fashioned thinking, but I like to hear the frequencies not just see them.




Flat curves like the one recommended above do not do justice to any type of audiophile who pays for a can that can reproduce quality sound. Why shoot yourself in the foot when you paid so much for a pair of cans that can give you the frequencies most cannot? If you want to listen to a PA system, try a train station, no need to spend money on any type of headphones.
 
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

If you got any guide and/or tips for using EqualizerAPO like a pro then please do tell wink.gif
Like what does the quality setting under the slider mean/do ? or the filter underneath that ? (is that shape of roll off ?)

On my DT990 i use the Sonarworks plugin and sounds really good, the HD650 didnt sound to great with the plugin though frown.gif

The "quality" determines the bandwidth of the "peak" filter in this case.
You can see how your actual EQ-Curve looks, when you click on that "green wave" on the lower right side of the peace-GUI.

The thing is, you don't want to EQ blindly.
For reference i use "SineGen" to hear if some frequency-ranges are off too high or low, and if L/R is even across the frequencys.
http://sinegen.en.lo4d.com/

When you use this, you need the "quality" setting for the filter, so that you only affect the range that you think is off.

I EQ'ed with a target response curve in mind, where i started with the (raw) frequency response for my headphones from here(which seems to be broken atm...): https://www.headphone.com/pages/build-a-graph
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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

Flat curves like the one recommended above do not do justice to any type of audiophile who pays for a can that can reproduce quality sound. Why shoot yourself in the foot when you paid so much for a pair of cans that can give you the frequencies most cannot? If you want to listen to a PA system, try a train station, no need to spend money on any type of headphones.

It's more an option than a recommendation, and it's certainly not about making them sound close to a PA system lol.
Not everyone has the money for a bunch of quality cans.

I don't, but still wanted a different tonality from my headphones, which i otherwise appreciate pretty much for their qualities.
Edited by thuNDa - 7/4/16 at 10:33am
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[/spoiler]


I have tried the below curve on Both my HD650 and D2K ML cups. I am surprised and not in a good way.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


This may be just me, or old fashioned thinking, but I like to hear the frequencies not just see them.




Flat curves like the one recommended above do not do justice to any type of audiophile who pays for a can that can reproduce quality sound. Why shoot yourself in the foot when you paid so much for a pair of cans that can give you the frequencies most cannot? If you want to listen to a PA system, try a train station, no need to spend money on any type of headphones.
Frequency response is going to differ a bit from pair to pair even with good QC. What fixes (or changes on preference) response on one pair might sound quite a a bit different on another.

I prefer to step up to better gear over EQing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

[/spoiler]


I have tried the below curve on Both my HD650 and D2K ML cups. I am surprised and not in a good way.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


This may be just me, or old fashioned thinking, but I like to hear the frequencies not just see them.




Flat curves like the one recommended above do not do justice to any type of audiophile who pays for a can that can reproduce quality sound. Why shoot yourself in the foot when you paid so much for a pair of cans that can give you the frequencies most cannot? If you want to listen to a PA system, try a train station, no need to spend money on any type of headphones.

I had -0.5 on the 333, 577 and 1000hz slider, not +0.5 wink.gif

This curve doesnt sound flat to me, compared to flat it has slightly enhanced sub bass and slightly reduced mids, its not far from flat either though.
My DT990 with Sonarworks (super flat) sounds awesome, whats wrong with flat ?
The HD650 didnt sound to good with Sonarworks so i changed EQ myself.

First time i use EQ to, i never needed it before but i dont like the HD650 enough without EQ.

Also i have a reference like amp, picked it because it was powerfull and flat.
Well picked it because of SQ first but reading about it later i found out people use it in studio's because its very reference like, Sennheiser also used to recommend this amp with their headphones.
Maybe i do just like flat with a bit of extra bass.

And again, what wrong with flat ?
Doesnt it bring out most of a good recording ?


If i want to listen to PA i open my shed and get my Dynacord and Stage Accompany speakers out wink.gif
Or listen to 60's rocksteady on vinyl through a 30$ Philips SHL3300/00, sounds pretty PA like.

Trainstation PA is 100V wideband, pretty crap for music, great if you want your voice to carry very far.

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Originally Posted by thuNDa View Post

The "quality" determines the bandwidth of the "peak" filter in this case.
You can see how your actual EQ-Curve looks, when you click on that "green wave" on the lower right side of the peace-GUI.

The thing is, you don't want to EQ blindly.
For reference i use "SineGen" to hear if some frequency-ranges are off too high or low, and if L/R is even across the frequencys.
http://sinegen.en.lo4d.com/

When you use this, you need the "quality" setting for the filter, so that you only affect the range that you think is off.

I EQ'ed with a target response curve in mind, where i started with the (raw) frequency response for my headphones from here(which seems to be broken atm...): https://www.headphone.com/pages/build-a-graph
It's more an option than a recommendation, and it's certainly not about making them sound close to a PA system lol.
Not everyone has the money for a bunch of quality cans.

I don't, but still wanted a different tonality from my headphones, which i otherwise appreciate pretty much for their qualities.

Thanks for links thumb.gif

I looked up the Headroom graph of the 650, made a flat'ish curve based on that and worked from there.
Still dont know what the quality and filter setting actually do though, isnt there any manual/guide ?
Quote:
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Frequency response is going to differ a bit from pair to pair even with good QC. What fixes (or changes on preference) response on one pair might sound quite a a bit different on another.

I prefer to step up to better gear over EQing.

1 day ill get a headphone thats sound the way i like it out of the box biggrin.gif
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Yeah, you just buy headphones that aren't crap or aren't to your liking and then you don't need to EQ them. It's like buying a Corolla S and then expecting it to have premium interior and decent road performance like a Jetta GLI.
 
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Yeah, you just buy headphones that aren't crap or aren't to your liking and then you don't need to EQ them. It's like buying a Corolla S and then expecting it to have premium interior and decent road performance like a Jetta GLI.

In my price range atm (around 500$) i dont think i am going to find a headphone thats a 100% for me and wont need any EQ or whatever.....
Allthough i havent nearly tried them all around that price.
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Hi guys i am waiting the 681 EVO white, will i need a sound card or USB amp ? My current on board is VIA VT 2021 but sound cards and especially amps are overpriced (Xonar DGX 35 euros its more than the Headphones tongue.gif). Do i really need sound card or the Via will do the job (Headphones usage will be only for games and movies).

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Hi guys i am waiting the 681 EVO white, will i need a sound card or USB amp ? My current on board is VIA VT 2021 but sound cards and especially amps are overpriced (Xonar DGX 35 euros its more than the Headphones tongue.gif). Do i really need sound card or the Via will do the job (Headphones usage will be only for games and movies).

Thanks in advance.

There 32ohm, i wouldnt bother with a dac/amp if this is going to be your only headset.
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In my price range atm (around 500$) i dont think i am going to find a headphone thats a 100% for me and wont need any EQ or whatever.....
Allthough i havent nearly tried them all around that price.

Yeah, it's a losing battle; the audiophile world. The best thing I can say is that the headphones you least expect to like end up being some of the best ones sometimes. I was always told I'd had the HD650 before I tried out Sennheiser. Sometimes it's just more important to figure out what you focus on or look for when enjoying music.

EDIT:

My previous statement did come across a bit harsh. I'll make an addendum to my statement. If you're EQ'ing a headphone to get unrealistic changes from it, then there's a good chance you invested in the wrong headphone tongue.gif. But if you're EQ'ing a headphone that you love already just to fix some small things that bother you, that's another thing.
 
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