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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

There 32ohm, i wouldnt bother with a dac/amp if this is going to be your only headset.

Nice, thanks for the answer. thumb.gif
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Yeah, it's a losing battle; the audiophile world. The best thing I can say is that the headphones you least expect to like end up being some of the best ones sometimes. I was always told I'd had the HD650 before I tried out Sennheiser. Sometimes it's just more important to figure out what you focus on or look for when enjoying music.

EDIT:

My previous statement did come across a bit harsh. I'll make an addendum to my statement. If you're EQ'ing a headphone to get unrealistic changes from it, then there's a good chance you invested in the wrong headphone tongue.gif. But if you're EQ'ing a headphone that you love already just to fix some small things that bother you, that's another thing.

Please be harsh, we are all here to learn aswell arent we ?

Not that i think i am making unrealistic changes to the HD650 you are absolutely right that i probably invested in the wrong headphone.

The HD650 isnt exactly tailored for me it seems but i do love the details, OMG the details !!!
I just hear so much more that i didnt hear with the DT990 and SR80E that i almost forgive the headphone for not being tonally perfect for me.

I think ill keep the HD650 just for it being so revealing and then find something similar in that department but with a tonallity i do like.
Wish i could demo a T90.....

Got a HD558, the SR80E and a Project Headbox II for sale so in the end this HD650 wont cost me much.... If i keep the demo i reckon i can get it even cheaper.
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For reference i use "SineGen" to hear if some frequency-ranges are off too high or low, and if L/R is even across the frequencys.
http://sinegen.en.lo4d.com/

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Again thanks for this one, i just found out i cant hear past 16300hz lol.
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maybe you get the best out of the HD650 for your liking, when you still use sonarworks reference, but also play around there with "tilt" and "bass boost" under "custom".
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maybe you get the best out of the HD650 for your liking, when you still use sonarworks reference, but also play around there with "tilt" and "bass boost" under "custom".

pffff, so much to tinker with.

I just switched to 32 band EQ and trying to refine that.
This is what i got now:



Now i wonder how to create this curve without all those peaks and valley's... make a smooth curve.
Do you do that with the Quality setting under the slider ? That determine's how wide or narrow the band operate's in right ?

Ill give Sonarworks another go after i nailed this EQ thing wink.gif
Really liked the plugin with my DT990 out of the box, with the HD650 it seems/feels like they overblown sub bass way to much.

Anyways i also just need to break these headphones in a.k.a getting my ears to cooldown after over 2500 hours of a DT990.
Seems to sound better by the day (allthough not super great) and that cant be from such a tiny EQ difference alone.
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Please be harsh, we are all here to learn aswell arent we ?

Not that i think i am making unrealistic changes to the HD650 you are absolutely right that i probably invested in the wrong headphone.

The HD650 isnt exactly tailored for me it seems but i do love the details, OMG the details !!!
I just hear so much more that i didnt hear with the DT990 and SR80E that i almost forgive the headphone for not being tonally perfect for me.

I think ill keep the HD650 just for it being so revealing and then find something similar in that department but with a tonallity i do like.
Wish i could demo a T90.....

Got a HD558, the SR80E and a Project Headbox II for sale so in the end this HD650 wont cost me much.... If i keep the demo i reckon i can get it even cheaper.
Again thanks for this one, i just found out i cant hear past 16300hz lol.

I wish there was a way for me to trial the HD650s everybody talks about. I have the HD700 and I really enjoy them. There are a few tones that I would like to bring down and probably a couple of others up. But the best cans I have ever had.

Maybe I will just watch out for the HD650 on sale. How low do they tend to go on sale?

I found an online retailer with the HD650 for $379 shipped. The site looked a little shady but I paid with paypal so if it doesn't go through I will just claim buyer protection.
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I wish there was a way for me to trial the HD650s everybody talks about. I have the HD700 and I really enjoy them. There are a few tones that I would like to bring down and probably a couple of others up. But the best cans I have ever had.

Maybe I will just watch out for the HD650 on sale. How low do they tend to go on sale?

I can see why many people like the HD600/650, very neutral and very revealing (details) attleast compared to my other headphones.
I love the amount of details i can hear, allright with the mids/highs after a tiny EQ but i still miss that impact on the bass.
Here in EU on sale they go for around 299,- euro... Thats about 345$ (normal price is around 420$ allthough msrp is 499$ i think)
Should be able to find it for under that in US i reckon, everything is cheaper in US lol.

I could have tryed the HD700 but they are 100$ over my budget atm frown.gif

Have you tryed the HD700 with Sonarworks Reference and/or EqualizerAPO ?
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I can see why many people like the HD600/650, very neutral and very revealing (details) attleast compared to my other headphones.
I love the amount of details i can hear, allright with the mids/highs after a tiny EQ but i still miss that impact on the bass.
Here in EU on sale they go for around 299,- euro... Thats about 345$ (normal price is around 420$ allthough msrp is 499$ i think)
Should be able to find it for under that in US i reckon, everything is cheaper in US lol.

I could have tryed the HD700 but they are 100$ over my budget atm frown.gif

Have you tryed the HD700 with Sonarworks Reference and/or EqualizerAPO ?

I downloaded EQAPO yesterday after reading your post. I tried downloading Peace and got an error about a virus. I know this is a common thing. I just didn't have time to do the work around to get it. I will try again later tonight when I have a few minutes.

It was easy to justify the HD650 purchase. I have two x99 builds so now I have a nice set of cans for each one. I have a small collection of DACs and Amps growing. Ordered an iBasso dx80 yesterday, this will add to my Cambridge dac magic DAC, Creek amp, xduoo xd-05/iPhone 6s+ combo. Still waiting on my Cambridge dac/amp combo.

I am not sure what sonar works reference is but I will be looking it up. Thank you.
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pffff, so much to tinker with.

I just switched to 32 band EQ and trying to refine that.
This is what i got now:



Now i wonder how to create this curve without all those peaks and valley's... make a smooth curve.
Do you do that with the Quality setting under the slider ? That determine's how wide or narrow the band operate's in right ?

Ill give Sonarworks another go after i nailed this EQ thing wink.gif
Really liked the plugin with my DT990 out of the box, with the HD650 it seems/feels like they overblown sub bass way to much.

Anyways i also just need to break these headphones in a.k.a getting my ears to cooldown after over 2500 hours of a DT990.
Seems to sound better by the day (allthough not super great) and that cant be from such a tiny EQ difference alone.

You get a smoother curve when you use a lower Quality setting.
For the bass adjustment in your curve, it would be sufficent, to only have one peak at ~40hz, with a low "Q"-setting.
But i use the standard GUI, which shows you the changes in the curve on the fly.
Also you can switch to "bandwidth" instead of Q.

But you should be able to get all you want in sonarworks, when you just use "-2 Bass Boost" or something if sub bass was too strong before.
Or you can tilt the "flat" curve to the higher frequencies alltogether.
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Please be harsh, we are all here to learn aswell arent we ?

Not that i think i am making unrealistic changes to the HD650 you are absolutely right that i probably invested in the wrong headphone.

The HD650 isnt exactly tailored for me it seems but i do love the details, OMG the details !!!
I just hear so much more that i didnt hear with the DT990 and SR80E that i almost forgive the headphone for not being tonally perfect for me.

I think ill keep the HD650 just for it being so revealing and then find something similar in that department but with a tonallity i do like.
Wish i could demo a T90.....

Got a HD558, the SR80E and a Project Headbox II for sale so in the end this HD650 wont cost me much.... If i keep the demo i reckon i can get it even cheaper.
Again thanks for this one, i just found out i cant hear past 16300hz lol.

Haha yes, but I work with users all day at work where I can't be harsh, so I try to be helpful and constructive without coming off like a jerk. The great thing about headphones is that unless you got them for a steal, you don't lose much money reselling them. You can sell a HD650 for more than you can sell a GTX 1080 in 5 years thumb.gif.
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I wish there was a way for me to trial the HD650s everybody talks about. I have the HD700 and I really enjoy them. There are a few tones that I would like to bring down and probably a couple of others up. But the best cans I have ever had.

Maybe I will just watch out for the HD650 on sale. How low do they tend to go on sale?

I found an online retailer with the HD650 for $379 shipped. The site looked a little shady but I paid with paypal so if it doesn't go through I will just claim buyer protection.

Amazon likes to throw them on sale for $350 and then lump either a gift card or audio-related piece of equipment with it to essentially make it 'cheaper'. Something about them not being able to officially go below the $350 price point. The gift card one is especially popular because it's easy to offload an Amazon gift card in other places, and you usually come out only spending $270 on a pair.
 
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You get a smoother curve when you use a lower Quality setting.
For the bass adjustment in your curve, it would be sufficent, to only have one peak at ~40hz, with a low "Q"-setting.
But i use the standard GUI, which shows you the changes in the curve on the fly.
Also you can switch to "bandwidth" instead of Q.

But you should be able to get all you want in sonarworks, when you just use "-2 Bass Boost" or something if sub bass was too strong before.
Or you can tilt the "flat" curve to the higher frequencies alltogether.

Ill try, thanks for tips so far thumb.gif
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