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Can someone educate me, what is the benefit of multibit DAC? Does sound really sound leaps and bounds better or is it more for pro usage/if you only own HD800 caliber cans?
    
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Can someone educate me, what is the benefit of multibit DAC? Does sound really sound leaps and bounds better or is it more for pro usage/if you only own HD800 caliber cans?

Quoting Schiit here, but they're generally well known for being BS free when talking about stuff:

"Multibit DACs differ from the vast majority of DACs in that they use true 16-20 bit D/A converters that can reproduce the exact level of every digital audio sample. Most DACs use inexpensive delta-sigma technology with a bit depth of only 1-5 bits to approximate the level of every digital audio sample, based on the values of the samples that precede and follow it."

So basically you're getting a more accurate analog signal with less noise. As for whether or not you'll notice with, say, a T20RP or need an HD800 to notice differences, I'm not sure since I've never heard a multibit.

EDIT: Unrelated, but their description of the 6" cables they made to go with their stacks is hilarious:
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Beyond Just Technology: SuperUltraHyperTechnology
PYST cables are made from only the finest 6-nines Unobtanium™ alloy, molecularly assembled in our Alternate Universe™ reality-distortion tesseract field , using a secret geometry reverse-engineered from crashed UFOs, painstakingly smuggled out of Area 51 by deep-cover operatives. Performance is further enhanced by the use of a QuantConnect™ quantum-entangled pair of transmission interfaces, held at absolute zero by our exclusive Stasis Field™ technology. The cables are then wrapped in NanoAeroCap™, a nanotechnology-enabled aerogel anti-capacitance insulation system, featuring Fractal Interleaved Geometry™ to create negative inductance for maximum audio transmission quality.

Or, er, well . . . no. These are nice, high-quality cables, with solid, reliable connectors. That’s it. In any case, you can get PYST, or you can save some money at Monoprice.

Edited by Blze001 - 7/26/16 at 4:33am
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I live in Canada, so we always go "are you seriously kidding me?!?!?!" when it comes to the price of some things... Even computer parts.

My favourite audio parts come from the UK.... Well, err.... Used to. Solid State Logic, as well as Allen & Heath both come to mind, but a few years ago Allen&Heath switched production to China, and man did the quality suffer. Higher end SSL stuff is still British made though - there's just something about how EQing is looked at in the UK, and it's particular sound.....

When I have the cash, I know I'll have to take a good long look at a variety of companies out there, but the way some companies implement things is definitely nice... Then again, I want an amp that doesn't care if I leave it on 24/7 but still sounds really really good. Just seems that so many of the combinations I want are like $3k USD, lol! (But I won't lie, the Violectric V281 (or even just V220) and V850 combo is just sooooo sexy, even if it does have a blue LED in there!)


P.S. I have to say this playfully. Canadians like being called Americans about as much as the Dutch enjoy being called German (and vice versa) tongue.gif

I am sorry WhiteWulfie for tarring you with the same American brush frown.gif

In P.A i liked some Allen & Heath to, most stuff i used was from Dynacord, Stage Accompany, Electro Voice and Dateq.
Always used Technics 1200 MKII turntables to, i hated CD's.

Yeah there is something with audio from the UK, especially in the 60's, 70's and 80's there studio's ruled the audio scene.

Small side note:
Imaging on a Nighthawk is really ridiculously good.
My other headphones display imaging in like Left, Right, Center top and Center middle.
On the Nighthawk you got super high top, high top, middle top, center, low in center and low in both left and right speakers, same goes for sounds in center... it really is something else.

Still not overly happy with the bass though.
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Originally Posted by Blze001 View Post

Quoting Schiit here, but they're generally well known for being BS free when talking about stuff:

"Multibit DACs differ from the vast majority of DACs in that they use true 16-20 bit D/A converters that can reproduce the exact level of every digital audio sample. Most DACs use inexpensive delta-sigma technology with a bit depth of only 1-5 bits to approximate the level of every digital audio sample, based on the values of the samples that precede and follow it."

So basically you're getting a more accurate analog signal with less noise. As for whether or not you'll notice with, say, a T20RP or need an HD800 to notice differences, I'm not sure since I've never heard a multibit.

EDIT: Unrelated, but their description of the 6" cables they made to go with their stacks is hilarious:

Lets just say that the DAC is the least you should worry about.
Unless you already have really expensive gear
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I am sorry WhiteWulfie for tarring you with the same American brush frown.gif

In P.A i liked some Allen & Heath to, most stuff i used was from Dynacord, Stage Accompany, Electro Voice and Dateq.
Always used Technics 1200 MKII turntables to, i hated CD's.

Yeah there is something with audio from the UK, especially in the 60's, 70's and 80's there studio's ruled the audio scene.

No worries it happens, and the world very much so doesn't end ^_^ smile.gif

I still want an Allen&Heath mixer, but I want an updated Xone:92, although at this point I'd rather just save up and get the Playdifferent Model 1 if I'm getting a mixer that's more potent than my NI Kontrol Z2, as it has a lot more functionality built into it (read: it'll play well with modular synths and other hardware synths I plan on eventually acquiring, while also doing duty for djing too). Only other mixer that wasn't UK that I really liked was the Rane MP2016/XP2016 setup.... Ohhhh man that was a lovely mixer. Never mixed/djed with it, but at the same time.... Got to spend a good amount of time with it at the store, and it just had this lovely quality to it....
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No worries it happens, and the world very much so doesn't end ^_^ smile.gif

I still want an Allen&Heath mixer, but I want an updated Xone:92, although at this point I'd rather just save up and get the Playdifferent Model 1 if I'm getting a mixer that's more potent than my NI Kontrol Z2, as it has a lot more functionality built into it (read: it'll play well with modular synths and other hardware synths I plan on eventually acquiring, while also doing duty for djing too). Only other mixer that wasn't UK that I really liked was the Rane MP2016/XP2016 setup.... Ohhhh man that was a lovely mixer. Never mixed/djed with it, but at the same time.... Got to spend a good amount of time with it at the store, and it just had this lovely quality to it....

This is my to go to mixer (bit pricey though)


Its so smooth, subtle and unbreakable.

Main sytem mixer is on older Allen & Heath, there cheap second hand and very good IMO.

I'm a old vintage sound system like guy though, i think your more on the modern digital side ?
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This is my to go to mixer (bit pricey though)


Its so smooth, subtle and unbreakable.

Main sytem mixer is on older Allen & Heath, there cheap second hand and very good IMO.

I'm a old vintage sound system like guy though, i think your more on the modern digital side ?

That looks nice and utilitarian... Simple but gets the job done, and that's what matters ^_^

For gear, at the moment I'm mostly digital but such is out of convenience, and the fact that when I first purchased my software Traktor was $325 CAD including GST versus $850 for Serato's SL1... And then later, once I had the cash the Xone:92 was temporarily discontinued in favour of the db4 and I just didn't want anything to do with that mixer. It's a nice mixer, but no four band and I didn't like that they threw out most of the Xone flavour in order to cash in on the EDM craze.

For djing, I've always done it with two turntables (Stanton STR8-150's atm), but I switched to digital vinyl mostly several years ago simply out of convenience, as well as the fact that it's usually less of a hassle to get it going with online streaming. Oh, right, I also had my pay cut down to a third of what it used to be (changed jobs), so buying via Beatport and paying $2 USD a track is a lot easier to stomach compared to $20 CAD per record - that and HTFR is trash for online ordering nowadays.

My current mixer for djing was chosen because of the decent analog guts alongside compatibility with Traktor, and that it plus my two turntables were cheaper than most 19" mixers were at the time.

I actually prefer the analogue realm, but choose digital for sheer convenience and regaining of space (Maschine replaced some of the cheaper gear I had on the desk as an example), but I'm missing that lovely hardware hands on feel so I'll be eventually picking up some Elektron gear, and restarting my modular synthetic (although this time, in eurorack as opposed to dotcom since while dotcom/MU is blissfully comfy to use, it takes up waaaaaay too much space)

Edit: as for mixing though, I'd love to get my paws on the gs-r24... That is one gorgeous console, but I'd settle for a ZED R16 if I had to since it's noticeably cheaper but still rather functional.
Edited by WhiteWulfe - 7/26/16 at 7:58am
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I read the Dragonfly Black v1.5 and Jitterbug go very well with the Nighthawk, and I know there is no end game, I just mean I am glad you got a good trade deal on something higher end, if I could trade everything I own right now plus a little cash for a Nighthawk I would, for everything, I forget where I read the review Headphonia or something.
    
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That looks nice and utilitarian... Simple but gets the job done, and that's what matters ^_^
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Edit: as for mixing though, I'd love to get my paws on the gs-r24... That is one gorgeous console, but I'd settle for a ZED R16 if I had to since it's noticeably cheaper but still rather functional.
That first bugger is bloody expensive.
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That first bugger is bloody expensive.

Hence why I'd be more than happy with the Zed R16. Designed by the exact same guy, just had a budget ($2k USD max retail). Go back a few years when they were developping the GS-R24 and a few of my playful suggestions actually made it in... Not that I remember a thing of what I said in that GearSlutz thread, other than sticker shock when it was officially announced as avilable.

Hence why I want the PlayDifferent Model 1, because while more expensive than the Xone:92 I want.... More channels, and it's a nice balance between the Xone:92 and the insanely expensive consoles I want.
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