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Also, the difference between linux and windows on that front starts to get real complicated.

People use windows with direct audio drivers because the studio software that most people use is not available on linux.

Plus most people actually use OSX because of pro tools.

Most of the electronic producers I have seen use Windows. Mainly mau5.
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Most of the electronic producers I have seen use Windows. Mainly mau5.

Oh, I have no clue what electronic people do.

The studios I have been in are usually doing acoustic or vocal recordings. One particular stupid I visit still uses analog reel to reel tape decks.
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Oh, I have no clue what electronic people do.

The studios I have been in are usually doing acoustic or vocal recordings. One particular stupid I visit still uses analog reel to reel tape decks.

Reeling tape is actually very popular, they used it to record cassettes and offers one of the purest .wav/lossless format in pure analog form

With electronic music, why would it matter what operating system you run? They mostly run the same suite of software to create and edit.
Also I find it hard to imagine that a DJ doesn't have a DAC to take his digital format to analog form for speakers rendering whatever sound processing his PC/laptop/operating system is capable of useless.

USB dacs are really aimed at digital music creators.
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Reeling tape is actually very popular, they used it to record cassettes and offers one of the purest .wav/lossless format in pure analog form

With electronic music, why would it matter what operating system you run? They mostly run the same suite of software to create and edit.
Also I find it hard to imagine that a DJ doesn't have a DAC to take his digital format to analog form for speakers rendering whatever sound processing his PC/laptop/operating system is capable of useless.

USB dacs are really aimed at digital music creators.

Tape is not as popular as you might think. Too many of the higher quality recording machines are in disrepair and full 1 inch tape is near impossible to find. The few recording studios that I know of that still use tape, only use it in very special situations.

And again, IDK what electronic music people do.

I can however tell you that the biggest reason for true recording studios to use different OSes and drivers is due to latency. Linux with a low latency kernel usually shines in situations where latency is a larger issue.
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Most of the electronic producers I have seen use Windows. Mainly mau5.

Producers will only use DAWs such as ProTools for tracking, arranging, re-recording and mixdowns/bouncing of tracks. If you're producing with ProTools you're a certified masochist as there are so many better tools out there specifically designed for producing audio (Ableton Live, Bitwig Studio, and Fruity Loops are the three most popular ones - Reason is popular as well, as is Reaktor (especially when paired with Maschine) but they aren't considered fully fledged DAWs by most, especially Maschine). Besides, the specific person you mention has an absolutely massive EuroRack setup, a Buchla 200e (based around the old system 5 or 10 module combination if I remember correctly), AND the largest Modcan B setup in existence. His Modcan B setup took Bruce something like a year to put it all together because of just how massive it is..... So I strongly suspect he has multiple ways of producing audio smile.gif (If you say that Deadmau5's rig is smaller than Daft Punk's, you're wrong and correct. While Daft Punk's system is larger, they went with Modcan A, which uses banana Jack's as the main cable interface, and some modules are only available in A or B, not both).

As for Windows vs OS X, it seems to be something split between the middle, with people usually using whatever works for them and/or they already have or they're comfortable with. Either way, a large bag of tricks are usually applied to any rig dedicated for use for audio... Mac OS X just happens to be faster to tweak, and plays much better out of the box. Oh, and if you want to use an Apollo device or any of the Firewire based hardware accelerators out there (digital effects processors that have dedicated processing chips) most will only work with OS X nowadays.
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Reeling tape is actually very popular, they used it to record cassettes and offers one of the purest .wav/lossless format in pure analog form

With electronic music, why would it matter what operating system you run? They mostly run the same suite of software to create and edit.
Also I find it hard to imagine that a DJ doesn't have a DAC to take his digital format to analog form for speakers rendering whatever sound processing his PC/laptop/operating system is capable of useless.

USB dacs are really aimed at digital music creators.

You do realize that a lot of electronic music is produced with analogue synthesizers right? tongue.gif

As for recording to tape, it's stupidly expensive, doubly so if you're using 2" with modified heads to reduce crosstalk (one of the main "tricks" is to use a 16 channel head on 2" tape, as you have larger areas for each channel and thicker gaps in between). Bug downside of tape though is if you don't store them properly, you can get some rather odd "glitches" in the recorded sound.

How stupidly expensive? A good high quality reel (just one!) brand new usually has a price tag that's at least $50 USD, and that's using pricing info from ten years ago - I honestly have no idea if those ones are even available anymore.

As for USB being aimed only at digital creators, Rane as well as Solid State Logic would love to have a word with you, both of which who make some absolutely epic a/d and d/a boxes for use with digital recording, many of which have 2ms or less round trip latency. They're usually paired with OS X or Linux though to keep better compatabilities not to mention the insanely low latencies those two operating systems are known for.

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Tape is not as popular as you might think. Too many of the higher quality recording machines are in disrepair and full 1 inch tape is near impossible to find. The few recording studios that I know of that still use tape, only use it in very special situations.

And again, IDK what electronic music people do.

I can however tell you that the biggest reason for true recording studios to use different OSes and drivers is due to latency. Linux with a low latency kernel usually shines in situations where latency is a larger issue.

Not to mention that maintaining a tape recorder in this day and age (especially a high quality 16 or 24 channel) is insanely expensive... And they're moodier than a high school full of teenagers.
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Producers will only use DAWs such as ProTools for tracking, arranging, re-recording and mixdowns/bouncing of tracks. If you're producing with ProTools you're a certified masochist as there are so many better tools out there specifically designed for producing audio (Ableton Live, Bitwig Studio, and Fruity Loops are the three most popular ones - Reason is popular as well, as is Reaktor (especially when paired with Maschine) but they aren't considered fully fledged DAWs by most, especially Maschine). Besides, the specific person you mention has an absolutely massive EuroRack setup, a Buchla 200e (based around the old system 5 or 10 module combination if I remember correctly), AND the largest Modcan B setup in existence. His Modcan B setup took Bruce something like a year to put it all together because of just how massive it is..... So I strongly suspect he has multiple ways of producing audio smile.gif (If you say that Deadmau5's rig is smaller than Daft Punk's, you're wrong and correct. While Daft Punk's system is larger, they went with Modcan A, which uses banana Jack's as the main cable interface, and some modules are only available in A or B, not both).

As for Windows vs OS X, it seems to be something split between the middle, with people usually using whatever works for them and/or they already have or they're comfortable with. Either way, a large bag of tricks are usually applied to any rig dedicated for use for audio... Mac OS X just happens to be faster to tweak, and plays much better out of the box. Oh, and if you want to use an Apollo device or any of the Firewire based hardware accelerators out there (digital effects processors that have dedicated processing chips) most will only work with OS X nowadays.
You do realize that a lot of electronic music is produced with analogue synthesizers right? tongue.gif

As for recording to tape, it's stupidly expensive, doubly so if you're using 2" with modified heads to reduce crosstalk (one of the main "tricks" is to use a 16 channel head on 2" tape, as you have larger areas for each channel and thicker gaps in between). Bug downside of tape though is if you don't store them properly, you can get some rather odd "glitches" in the recorded sound.

How stupidly expensive? A good high quality reel (just one!) brand new usually has a price tag that's at least $50 USD, and that's using pricing info from ten years ago - I honestly have no idea if those ones are even available anymore.

As for USB being aimed only at digital creators, Rane as well as Solid State Logic would love to have a word with you, both of which who make some absolutely epic a/d and d/a boxes for use with digital recording, many of which have 2ms or less round trip latency. They're usually paired with OS X or Linux though to keep better compatabilities not to mention the insanely low latencies those two operating systems are known for.
Not to mention that maintaining a tape recorder in this day and age (especially a high quality 16 or 24 channel) is insanely expensive... And they're moodier than a high school full of teenagers.

Tell me about it, I have done full resistor and cap swaps on a couple tape decks.

Although I still want an otari 5050. That thing is sex.
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Tell me about it, I have done full resistor and cap swaps on a couple tape decks.

Although I still want an otari 5050. That thing is sex.

They're quite gorgeous, not to mention rather legendary. I wanted one for many years, even though I'd have nowhere to put one in my living room, but I'm also crazy enough to want the Allen&Heath GS-R24 despite the fact even a Toft would do what I'd want/need it to do, or for a "few" thousand more I could get a fairly modern SSL console. That GS-R24 is just sooooooooo sexy - not as sexy as a Duality or XL Desk, but at the same time I know I'd be more than happy with an X-Desk and an X-Rack in a 16 channel configuration (or a Toft).

Otari probably made the sexiest tape decks out there, especially the 2" 16 channel modifications that are out there, not to mention their ruggedness.
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They're quite gorgeous, not to mention rather legendary. I wanted one for many years, even though I'd have nowhere to put one in my living room, but I'm also crazy enough to want the Allen&Heath GS-R24 despite the fact even a Toft would do what I'd want/need it to do, or for a "few" thousand more I could get a fairly modern SSL console. That GS-R24 is just sooooooooo sexy - not as sexy as a Duality or XL Desk, but at the same time I know I'd be more than happy with an X-Desk and an X-Rack in a 16 channel configuration (or a Toft).

Otari probably made the sexiest tape decks out there, especially the 2" 16 channel modifications that are out there, not to mention their ruggedness.

Yeah, but see the 2" inch tape is stupid expensive and difficult to find. 1" is the highest I will go to.

But what I actually want to do with the 5050 is rip out the output boards and make a little 12au7 tube output board for the audio section. And then completely redesign the recording board so that it can use low vibration precision resistors.

Then I want to make a couple power supplies to keep the whole thing ridiculously stable.

Finally I want to get a super high end turn table, and record my favorite vinyl pressings to tape. I want to do the whole put water on the record trick and get a super quiet and pure recording.
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Does anyone know if the original Schiit Fulla 1 is considered Class A amp? I know it gets super hot to touch. I know Fulla 2 is Class B (I think).
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Yeah, but see the 2" inch tape is stupid expensive and difficult to find. 1" is the highest I will go to.

But what I actually want to do with the 5050 is rip out the output boards and make a little 12au7 tube output board for the audio section. And then completely redesign the recording board so that it can use low vibration precision resistors.

Then I want to make a couple power supplies to keep the whole thing ridiculously stable.

Finally I want to get a super high end turn table, and record my favorite vinyl pressings to tape. I want to do the whole put water on the record trick and get a super quiet and pure recording.

yeah and i want to get laid before I am 30, we don't always get what we want

rofl jk

on topic - m1060 2nd run should be in stock soon... within next few hours maybe.
    
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Does anyone know if the original Schiit Fulla 1 is considered Class A amp? I know it gets super hot to touch. I know Fulla 2 is Class B (I think).
yeah and i want to get laid before I am 30, we don't always get what we want

rofl jk

on topic - m1060 2nd run should be in stock soon... within next few hours maybe.

The difference is that my goals are realistic and plausible. tongue.gif

Sorry you left yourself open to that one. Couldn't let that pass.

And the fulla is class B as well.
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