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How many of those people ensured that the resulting volume change going from SE to Balanced was compensated for during the change? Louder is generally seen as better. I thought I was hearing some differences during a review and decided to get out the multi meter and set the output of both amps to the same voltage. Wouldn't you know it, I couldn't tell them apart after that. There is a large difference in volume between SE and Balanced on the Jot.

A lot of people forget some basic testing requirements and hear differences and preach the results as gospel.

That being said the Jot does measure differently when bal and Single Ended. Whether or not it can be determined in a properly set up test I have not seen.

http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/jotunheim-technical-measurements.2760/

I see where you are going with this, but I actually think that power compensation is irrelevant.

There has to be something physically limiting the power for the TRS side of things. IDK if it is a simple voltage divider or what but what ever it is, it is probably in the signal path which causes some inherent noise.

I have no doubt in my mind that the 4 pin xlr side of things sounds better, because I am pretty sure they actively made the TRS side sound worse. rolleyes.gif
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Hello audiophile OCNers ! I'm starting to settle myself with a Fiio E10K Olympus2 as a first timer DAC. I know it's cheap, but... It's cheap ! And it's still sold, and I won't be moving with it, and I don't plan to get speakers...

I'd like also to buy a pair of headphones that don't have a too V-shaped sound, detailed and give "space" so I won't need digital surround for gaming... And the cable could a detachable mini-jack (would be awesome).

Knowing I'm probably set for a Fiio E10K, and my goal is gaming with good spatial positioning, and listening to pretty ANY music except EDM (I'm ready to rip all my classical CDs, and I enjoy 70-00 rock) what would you choose:
- AKG 702 (130$) ?
- AKG 712 pro (230$)??
- AKG 7xx (230$ from massdrop)??
- DT990 (180$; "pro" = 130$)?
- Sennheiser HD598 (230$)??
- Sennheiser HD600 (250$; gonna be hard to drive with the E10k, no?)???

Anything else should I consider? My only real limit is a global budget of 300$, which looks low.

Thanks for your help 😁
Yes, I made that list reading posts on head-fi; seems I will have to test them IRL, but don't know where yet. I will bear your whips for going for an E10K (Schiit didn't answer me back about the Fulla 2).
     
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Hello audiophile OCNers ! I'm starting to settle myself with a Fiio E10K Olympus2 as a first timer DAC. I know it's cheap, but... It's cheap ! And it's still sold, and I won't be moving with it, and I don't plan to get speakers...

I'd like also to buy a pair of headphones that don't have a too V-shaped sound, detailed and give "space" so I won't need digital surround for gaming... And the cable could a detachable mini-jack (would be awesome).

Knowing I'm probably set for a Fiio E10K, and my goal is gaming with good spatial positioning, and listening to pretty ANY music except EDM (I'm ready to rip all my classical CDs, and I enjoy 70-00 rock) what would you choose:
- AKG 702 (130$) ?
- AKG 712 pro (230$)??
- AKG 7xx (230$ from massdrop)??
- DT990 (180$; "pro" = 130$)?
- Sennheiser HD598 (230$)??
- Sennheiser HD600 (250$; gonna be hard to drive with the E10k, no?)???

Anything else should I consider? My only real limit is a global budget of 300$, which looks low.

Thanks for your help 😁
Yes, I made that list reading posts on head-fi; seems I will have to test them IRL, but don't know where yet. I will bear your whips for going for an E10K (Schiit didn't answer me back about the Fulla 2).

E10K is fine since that seems to be all you can find.

Don't buy the HD598 at that price... its a $120 can max...

DT990 is ok, just make sure you buy the 32 OHM version, because the E10K is not powerful enough for 250OHM.

You should check monoprice.com and see if they ship internationally (how much it would cost as well), because if you can net the Monolith M1060 for around $300 and $50 for shipping... it would be your best bet, and the E10K is fine powering it.
    
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Hello audiophile OCNers ! I'm starting to settle myself with a Fiio E10K Olympus2 as a first timer DAC. I know it's cheap, but... It's cheap ! And it's still sold, and I won't be moving with it, and I don't plan to get speakers...

I'd like also to buy a pair of headphones that don't have a too V-shaped sound, detailed and give "space" so I won't need digital surround for gaming... And the cable could a detachable mini-jack (would be awesome).

Knowing I'm probably set for a Fiio E10K, and my goal is gaming with good spatial positioning, and listening to pretty ANY music except EDM (I'm ready to rip all my classical CDs, and I enjoy 70-00 rock) what would you choose:
- AKG 702 (130$) ?
- AKG 712 pro (230$)??
- AKG 7xx (230$ from massdrop)??
- DT990 (180$; "pro" = 130$)?
- Sennheiser HD598 (230$)??
- Sennheiser HD600 (250$; gonna be hard to drive with the E10k, no?)???

Anything else should I consider? My only real limit is a global budget of 300$, which looks low.

Thanks for your help 😁
Yes, I made that list reading posts on head-fi; seems I will have to test them IRL, but don't know where yet. I will bear your whips for going for an E10K (Schiit didn't answer me back about the Fulla 2).

Out of those headphones and their listed pricing, I would go with the AKG 702.
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Out of those headphones and their listed pricing, I would go with the AKG 702.

I don't know, that K712 Pro is a good sale for $230, I checked Amazon and its $333 still. Either one is a good deal though yeah. I am surprised AKG is cheaper in Europe, I was not expecting that.
    
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How many of those people ensured that the resulting volume change going from SE to Balanced was compensated for during the change? Louder is generally seen as better. I thought I was hearing some differences during a review and decided to get out the multi meter and set the output of both amps to the same voltage. Wouldn't you know it, I couldn't tell them apart after that. There is a large difference in volume between SE and Balanced on the Jot.

A lot of people forget some basic testing requirements and hear differences and preach the results as gospel.

That being said the Jot does measure differently when bal and Single Ended. Whether or not it can be determined in a properly set up test I have not seen.

http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/jotunheim-technical-measurements.2760/

Maybe my hearing just isn't the best, but with an LCD-X and a Jotunheim I don't notice any difference between SE and balanced other than volume. When you account for volume, the difference sounds indistinguishable to me.
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Maybe my hearing just isn't the best, but with an LCD-X and a Jotunheim I don't notice any difference between SE and balanced other than volume. When you account for volume, the difference sounds indistinguishable to me.

Hmm. Nice to know, glad I didn't buy into Zeos hype this time. He got me a few times with his hype train.
sidenote -I am glad Monoprice is shaking up the headphone world some, I think in next 3 years we will see some interesting competition break out.
    
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Hmm. Nice to know, glad I didn't buy into Zeos hype this time. He got me a few times with his hype train.
sidenote -I am glad Monoprice is shaking up the headphone world some, I think in next 3 years we will see some interesting competition break out.

If Zeos is the same person as Z Reviews on Youtube, it was his review of LCD-X in a large part that sold me on them, but I personally speaking look at balanced XLR being sort of like high end cables, in that they don't make much of a difference, if any.
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If Zeos is the same person as Z Reviews on Youtube, it was his review of LCD-X in a large part that sold me on them, but I personally speaking look at balanced XLR being sort of like high end cables, in that they don't make much of a difference, if any.

Zeos is the same person indeed as Z-Reviews, fyi, he recently said the Monoprice Monolith M1060 $299 sounds better than LCD-X. lol
    
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I don't know, that K712 Pro is a good sale for $230, I checked Amazon and its $333 still. Either one is a good deal though yeah. I am surprised AKG is cheaper in Europe, I was not expecting that.
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