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Guys I need some help from you.Bear in mind that Im new to hi-fi audio.When I received my M50's I wanted to confirm what I had read countless times on consumer reviews about the burn in process that should be done with these headphones.So I got them out of the box and connected them directly to my soundcard and played an entire album.I was amazed how the sound had improved so much from the first song through the last.I was shocked because all the details I had been missing.But then yesterday I left the eq flat and listened to a few songs without problems,closed Foobar and came back later to listen to the same songs and the bass was really worse,it was there but somehow was far away.I tried setting the eq as I had before but still the bass isnt as clear as the first day.Mids and highs are great,guitar solos and high pitched vocals are clear and detailed,but rythm guitars, bass and bass drums sound weird.The source is the same,the connection and the files played were also the same.Some are mp3 320kbs and the others are flac.
Edited by Royraiden - 12/4/10 at 7:21am
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Did you accidently pull them out of the plug a little bit? I sometimes do that and the bass all but disappears.
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Did you accidently pull them out of the plug a little bit? I sometimes do that and the bass all but disappears.
Nope.Tried disconnecting and connecting them again but nothing happens.
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Re-installed the audio drivers and got rid of the problem.Everything's back to normal
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someone tell me: did i waste $72 on these?


$215 on amazon now, used to go for $300 aparently. i can tell you right now, they make bose tri port sound like ****.

also, sorry for the garbage picture quality. i took that with my cell phone

so, do i make the club? or should have i actually gotten hd 555's over these? i wanted something portable. people seem to think earbuds suck here

by the way, to list some headphones ive had in my time:



some 518's



these koss marshmellows actually had alot of bass, not detailed, was muddy but ALOT of bass.



these vmoda vibe, ive had vibe II's as well.



these bose triport



quiet comfort 3's


etymotic er6's



these heshes and the crappy earbud skullcandy's



this altec lansing iphone headset

ive had more but these generally come to mind. these sennheiser cx6 rape any of those ive had including the bose triports/quiet comfort 3's, the senn 518's, the er6's... they are awesome imo. the clarity i havent heard ever in headphones yet.
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post #8906 of 38156
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Originally Posted by Royraiden View Post
...When I received my M50's I wanted to confirm what I had read countless times on consumer reviews about the burn in process that should be done with these headphones.So I got them out of the box and connected them directly to my soundcard and played an entire album.I was amazed how the sound had improved so much from the first song through the last.I was shocked because all the details I had been missing....
BTW guys, this is where the idea that burn in does so much comes from I think. I've experienced this with all the headphones I've owned (the effect isn't as pronounced with speakers I think since there can be so much difference between two headphones.)

Let me give you a recent example. My klipsch custom 3's. I was used to my M50's. Initial impressions putting them in for the first time was thick overemphasized bass that overpowers everything else, very quiet treble, overall colored warm thick sound. I listened to them for a while and got used to them somewhat; I tend to turn the volume up way louder than anything else I have. Anyway, after I was used to them, when I go back to my m50's the treble is much more pronounced, less bass, mids aren't as colored.

The thing is, now I go back to the custom 3's, and guess what, the sound hasn't changed at all, after hours and hours of usage, what most people would consider enough burn in. The difference is, I'm used to them now, so when I put them in I know what to expect, so I'm not shocked by the sound any more. Plus, now that my mind knows what to expect, I can pick up all the details I couldn't distinguish when I first put them in.

And, yes, I know the custom 3's use BA drivers, but I could say the same for just about any headphone/earbud I've bought, both BA and dynamic. If burn in makes a difference, it is very VERY small. What most people experience (or claim to experience) as a HUGE improvement after burn in, in my experience just has to do with getting used to the frequency response of the headphones so that they (whether knowing they're doing this or not) know what to expect next time and can hear things they didn't hear on the first listen.

...anyway, my rant on burn in...

Royraiden, I'm not bashing you or anything, just explaining why you heard the difference you did. If burn in does happen, it's not that fast, and not that pronounced. I'm sure audio technica does plenty of testing on each driver before selling them, so if burn in happens that fast it would've happened before you got them.

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someone tell me: did i waste $72 on these?

...

so, do i make the club? or should have i actually gotten hd 555's over these? i wanted something portable. people seem to think earbuds suck here

...
The question is, do they sound good? You don't need our approval to enjoy your earbuds .

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ive had more but these generally come to mind. these sennheiser cx6 rape any of those ive had including the bose triports/quiet comfort 3's, the senn 518's, the er6's... they are awesome imo. the clarity i havent heard ever in headphones yet.
That's all that really matters. Seems like a good price if they are much better than the er6's which I've read good things about. I've never heard of them before though. Write a review .
Edited by drjoey1500 - 12/4/10 at 10:28pm
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BTW guys, this is where the idea that burn in does so much comes from I think. I've experienced this with all the headphones I've owned (the effect isn't as pronounced with speakers I think since there can be so much difference between two headphones.)

Let me give you a recent example. My klipsch custom 3's. I was used to my M50's. Initial impressions putting them in for the first time was thick overemphasized bass that overpowers everything else, very quiet treble, overall colored warm thick sound. I listened to them for a while and got used to them somewhat; I tend to turn the volume up way louder than anything else I have. Anyway, after I was used to them, when I go back to my m50's the treble is much more pronounced, less bass, mids aren't as colored.

The thing is, now I go back to the custom 3's, and guess what, the sound hasn't changed at all, after hours and hours of usage, what most people would consider enough burn in. The difference is, I'm used to them now, so when I put them in I know what to expect, so I'm not shocked by the sound any more. Plus, now that my mind knows what to expect, I can pick up all the details I couldn't distinguish when I first put them in.

And, yes, I know the custom 3's use BA drivers, but I could say the same for just about any headphone/earbud I've bought, both BA and dynamic. If burn in makes a difference, it is very VERY small. What most people experience (or claim to experience) as a HUGE improvement after burn in, in my experience just has to do with getting used to the frequency response of the headphones so that they (whether knowing they're doing this or not) know what to expect next time and can hear things they didn't hear on the first listen.V

...anyway, my rant on burn in...

Royraiden, I'm not bashing you or anything, just explaining why you heard the difference you did. If burn in does happen, it's not that fast, and not that pronounced. I'm sure audio technica does plenty of testing on each driver before selling them, so if burn in happens that fast it would've happened before you got them.

*edit*


The question is, do they sound good? You don't need our approval to enjoy your earbuds .



That's all that really matters. Seems like a good price if they are much better than the er6's which I've read good things about. I've never heard of them before though. Write a review .
Not a bad idea. I'll get on that when I get some free time. I need to get a hold of some flac files and replace the bad opamp in my auzentech xfi hometheater hd.

I'm really happy with these. It's nice to reap out things from microcenter after they fire me to get rid of me from seasonal help. I got those headphones for $70, a badass knife with wire strippers like half off for 35 or so, a new steelseries experience i-2 for $25 some little screwdrivers half off and some bx5a's for $190. Buying with ep is awesome

There's not much else I can take advantage of with discounts.
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BTW guys, this is where the idea that burn in does so much comes from I think. I've experienced this with all the headphones I've owned (the effect isn't as pronounced with speakers I think since there can be so much difference between two headphones.)

Let me give you a recent example. My klipsch custom 3's. I was used to my M50's. Initial impressions putting them in for the first time was thick overemphasized bass that overpowers everything else, very quiet treble, overall colored warm thick sound. I listened to them for a while and got used to them somewhat; I tend to turn the volume up way louder than anything else I have. Anyway, after I was used to them, when I go back to my m50's the treble is much more pronounced, less bass, mids aren't as colored.

The thing is, now I go back to the custom 3's, and guess what, the sound hasn't changed at all, after hours and hours of usage, what most people would consider enough burn in. The difference is, I'm used to them now, so when I put them in I know what to expect, so I'm not shocked by the sound any more. Plus, now that my mind knows what to expect, I can pick up all the details I couldn't distinguish when I first put them in.

And, yes, I know the custom 3's use BA drivers, but I could say the same for just about any headphone/earbud I've bought, both BA and dynamic. If burn in makes a difference, it is very VERY small. What most people experience (or claim to experience) as a HUGE improvement after burn in, in my experience just has to do with getting used to the frequency response of the headphones so that they (whether knowing they're doing this or not) know what to expect next time and can hear things they didn't hear on the first listen.

...anyway, my rant on burn in...

Royraiden, I'm not bashing you or anything, just explaining why you heard the difference you did. If burn in does happen, it's not that fast, and not that pronounced. I'm sure audio technica does plenty of testing on each driver before selling them, so if burn in happens that fast it would've happened before you got them.

*edit*


The question is, do they sound good? You don't need our approval to enjoy your earbuds .



That's all that really matters. Seems like a good price if they are much better than the er6's which I've read good things about. I've never heard of them before though. Write a review .
I know it may sound exaggerated but honestly,after an hour or so(that album has songs that last from 5 to15 mins).I noticed a difference in the bass right away.Maybe I cant describe you with too much detail how it was different,but I can assure you that it was a lot better on the last song compared to the first.
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The thing is, now I go back to the custom 3's, and guess what, the sound hasn't changed at all, after hours and hours of usage, what most people would consider enough burn in. The difference is, I'm used to them now, so when I put them in I know what to expect, so I'm not shocked by the sound any more. Plus, now that my mind knows what to expect, I can pick up all the details I couldn't distinguish when I first put them in.

And, yes, I know the custom 3's use BA drivers, but I could say the same for just about any headphone/earbud I've bought, both BA and dynamic. If burn in makes a difference, it is very VERY small. What most people experience (or claim to experience) as a HUGE improvement after burn in, in my experience just has to do with getting used to the frequency response of the headphones so that they (whether knowing they're doing this or not) know what to expect next time and can hear things they didn't hear on the first listen.
BA drivers do not require burn-in as there are no mechanical parts. Burn-in only applies to dynamic transducer systems. Burn-in is measureable and is real for dynamic transducer systems.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...5#post_6338400

Plenty of scientific evidence in my post there. It applies to dynamic transducer earphones too as it's the same type of system.
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BA drivers do not require burn-in as there are no mechanical parts. Burn-in only applies to dynamic transducer systems. Burn-in is measureable and is real for dynamic transducer systems.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...5#post_6338400

Plenty of scientific evidence in my post there. It applies to dynamic transducer earphones too as it's the same type of system.
dude after not much time i can notice my sennheiser cx6 sound better. they arent transducers. are you saying they dont burn in? i read somewhere that some guy burned them in for 600 hours and they sounded way better. you just confused me. also, every type of speaker besides electrostatic has moving parts from my understanding. you make no sense.
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