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Originally Posted by coreyL View Post
dude after not much time i can notice my sennheiser cx6 sound better. they arent transducers. are you saying they dont burn in? i read somewhere that some guy burned them in for 600 hours and they sounded way better. you just confused me. also, every type of speaker besides electrostatic has moving parts from my understanding. you make no sense.
the CX6 does use a dynamic transducer system. Usually stated as: 'Type: Dyanmic' in specs. Most audio equipment uses dynamic transducer. Burn-in only occurs with dynamic transducer. All speakers except electrostatic speakers use dynamic transducer. There are more types of systems ion headphones e.g. orthodynamic and earphones e.g. BA than speakers.

tbh, you'll notice the most burn-in within the first 20-30 hours. the time to burn-in effect will lessen from there. it'll still improve but at a lesser rate.
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I know it may sound exaggerated but honestly,after an hour or so(that album has songs that last from 5 to15 mins).I noticed a difference in the bass right away.Maybe I cant describe you with too much detail how it was different,but I can assure you that it was a lot better on the last song compared to the first.
I'll admit, the bass was the only part I'm not sure if improved. I think I heard the bass come through after about 50hrs I think (I wasn't wearing them the whole time), but that could have been a coincidence (it may have just been the song that was playing).

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BA drivers do not require burn-in as there are no mechanical parts. Burn-in only applies to dynamic transducer systems. Burn-in is measureable and is real for dynamic transducer systems.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...5#post_6338400

Plenty of scientific evidence in my post there. It applies to dynamic transducer earphones too as it's the same type of system.
ROFL . *facepalm* Did you even read the sentence you quoted, or did you just see BA and bold it? .

I said right after that,

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And, yes, I know the custom 3's use BA drivers, but I could say the same for just about any headphone/earbud I've bought, both BA and dynamic
The custom 3's were just my most recent purchase. Of all the headphones I've tried, the only ones I think I heard a difference in ironically used BA drivers, which really leads me to believe it is usually placebo for headphones.

BTW, the links you posted were speakers. I haven't done the physics but I'd imagine burn in does more for larger drivers than small ones.

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Originally Posted by coreyL View Post
dude after not much time i can notice my sennheiser cx6 sound better. they arent transducers. are you saying they dont burn in? i read somewhere that some guy burned them in for 600 hours and they sounded way better. you just confused me. also, every type of speaker besides electrostatic has moving parts from my understanding. you make no sense.
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post
the CX6 does use a dynamic transducer system. Usually stated as: 'Type: Dyanmic' in specs. Most audio equipment uses dynamic transducer. Burn-in only occurs with dynamic transducer. All speakers except electrostatic speakers use dynamic transducer. There are more types of systems ion headphones e.g. orthodynamic and earphones e.g. BA than speakers.

tbh, you'll notice the most burn-in within the first 20-30 hours. the time to burn-in effect will lessen from there. it'll still improve but at a lesser rate.
You do realize you guys are kind of proving my point...

Don't get me wrong, I know burn-in does happen mechanically especially for speakers. My point in all this is most people read that they should hear a difference with burn in so they plug in their new headphones, listen for a while, then come back to them after the magic time frame and HOLY COW THEY SOUND 5,672 TIMES BETTER THAN BEFORE!!!!!11!!!1!!!! when really they've just gotten used to them .

Just like they need to read the common opinion on headphones they bought so they know what to hear themselves .
/sarcasm

From what I've observed, it seems like I listen more critically than many people and to me the difference over time seems very very small. Just that alone leads me to believe burn in couldn't possibly make as huge of a difference as people claim to hear. I'm not trying to brag, I've just bought iems that have gotten tremendous FOTM reviews only to get the iem's and have terrible problems that many people apparently aren't bothered by.

To restate my point again, every new headphone/earbud I've bought takes some getting used to. It's hard to distinguish details or hear a song and recognize the same parts you always have straight out of the box, regardless of driver type. I've experienced this for both BA and dynamic in-ears and headphones.

Combine the last two paragraphs, and you get my conclusion. Burn-in has little to do with apparent improvements. You're perception has much more to do with it. If you still don't believe me, hunt down my initial impressions of my M50's. I was disappointed. Today they still compete for the best I've heard (i.e. now I think they are awesome and they own the hd202's I was using before). I even have different experiences with them between different days. One day they'll give out the most beautiful sound ever, and another day they'll sound closed in and just ok. Even true burn in can't account for that. There are so many factors that you have to consider, like how bored I am, how long I've been listening, how long it's been since I listened to music...

I think you get the point...
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I'll admit, the bass was the only part I'm not sure if improved. I think I heard the bass come through after about 50hrs I think (I wasn't wearing them the whole time), but that could have been a coincidence (it may have just been the song that was playing).



ROFL . *facepalm* Did you even read the sentence you quoted, or did you just see BA and bold it? .

I said right after that,



The custom 3's were just my most recent purchase. Of all the headphones I've tried, the only ones I think I heard a difference in ironically used BA drivers, which really leads me to believe it is usually placebo for headphones.

BTW, the links you posted were speakers. I haven't done the physics but I'd imagine burn in does more for larger drivers than small ones.





You do realize you guys are kind of proving my point...

Don't get me wrong, I know burn-in does happen mechanically especially for speakers. My point in all this is most people read that they should hear a difference with burn in so they plug in their new headphones, listen for a while, then come back to them after the magic time frame and HOLY COW THEY SOUND 5,672 TIMES BETTER THAN BEFORE!!!!!11!!!1!!!! when really they've just gotten used to them .

Just like they need to read the common opinion on headphones they bought so they know what to hear themselves .
/sarcasm

From what I've observed, it seems like I listen more critically than many people and to me the difference over time seems very very small. Just that alone leads me to believe burn in couldn't possibly make as huge of a difference as people claim to hear. I'm not trying to brag, I've just bought iems that have gotten tremendous FOTM reviews only to get the iem's and have terrible problems that many people apparently aren't bothered by.

To restate my point again, every new headphone/earbud I've bought takes some getting used to. It's hard to distinguish details or hear a song and recognize the same parts you always have straight out of the box, regardless of driver type. I've experienced this for both BA and dynamic in-ears and headphones.

Combine the last two paragraphs, and you get my conclusion. Burn-in has little to do with apparent improvements. You're perception has much more to do with it. If you still don't believe me, hunt down my initial impressions of my M50's. I was disappointed. Today they still compete for the best I've heard (i.e. now I think they are awesome and they own the hd202's I was using before). I even have different experiences with them between different days. One day they'll give out the most beautiful sound ever, and another day they'll sound closed in and just ok. Even true burn in can't account for that. There are so many factors that you have to consider, like how bored I am, how long I've been listening, how long it's been since I listened to music...

I think you get the point...
dude i hooked up my bx5a's to my friend's musical fidelity $1000 cd player and i thinkt hat was the first time i could actually ever hear the imperfections in the artists playing. he played some jack johnson and i could hear the inconsistencies in the cymbals. this wasnt audible on his psb image 4t's. is this because sudio monitors are designed to have a complete flat frequency response or because these 5 inch speakers i paid $190 for are actually better than his $650 pair of PSB's paird with his sherwood 110 watt 5.1 receiver? these things remind me of ATC speakers, and make me want to get some bxa8's and a bx10s. i'd love to get a 12 inch sub from m audio.

but yeah... i need to find speakers that sound this good that dont cost 5 times more. i got the bx5a's for a few reasons:

employee discount being 35% off

my NAD T751 is being repaired at the moment

my advent prodigy towers are too big for my room

i started expressing interest in building speakers. these are a perfect base line to compare with because of astounding flat frequency response

DJing is something i'd like to pick up some time

i want to laugh at my friend for buying mackie active digitally amplified loudspeakers for $600 when these sound better as long as the room is under 1000 sq ft

they do look nice, they are portable and convenient and i can use them as a portable 2.1 system to bring anywhere seeing as they really dont need a sub.

dayum thats alot of reasons to have dished out that monies. i really wish microcenter had bx8a's though.

but yeah, you are right. the user getting used to them is everything. it was weird when i started noticing little imperfections like that in music, sometimes it sounded like i was actually int he recording studio on that musical fidelity. with my sennheiser cx6 i need to get a good enough pre amped source to really test them. THIS is the mostly why i mentioned my bx5a's.
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I have enough experience and know enough psychoacoustics to know the difference between accommodation (your ears 'getting used to it') and burn-in / break-in. Also got a detailed enough system to hear differences in detail (which tbh I feel, is crucial for identifying differences).

but yeah, slight batch differences and also the amount of insertion into the ear make a difference too. Also the difference in casing used may contribute to the differences in burn-in / break-in. Both earphones and headphones sue the same system. tbh, yeah the term 'break-in' is more accurate than 'burn-in'.

http://www.audioholics.com/education...act-or-fiction

but yes, tbh, the affect of burn-in is overblown but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://headphonebreakin.blogspot.com/ has the pros and cons of the argument. There just a lot of factors involved that can be mistaken for break-in, I agree.
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Guys where can I get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm extension for my headphones?I bought the coiled version of the M-50 fearing that the straight one would be too large but this is too short even though it stretches.
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Guys where can I get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm extension for my headphones?I bought the coiled version of the M-50 fearing that the straight one would be too large but this is too short even though it stretches.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
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Thanks.Could using this affect sound quality?
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I wouldn't worry about cable quality until you get into the $300+ source with $300+ headphones range personally.
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Got your point.Thanks.
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Please update the list to include the Sennheiser HD 650 for myself.
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