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post #21 of 42
5/28/09 at 10:15pm
I'll stick to my K8 for now. Its still good enough.

Once the price of the PhII 955 drops to about $200, I'll drop it in my board.
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post #22 of 42
5/28/09 at 10:19pm
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So the only upgrade route for those who want to build their own PC is i7 with the X58 chipset? I was never that impressed with i5 to being with but this is pretty bad. You either pay up a decent chunk of cash for an i7 build or just slightly less for an i5. It's great for Intel as most people will probably think about it and say, why go i5 when for a bit more I can go i7, and that means more money for Intel. It does however put consumers in a bad spot as far as selection and price ranges.
They should ask, why go i7 when for a few dollars less I can go i5. In fact this is precisely why Intel wants to cut the lower cost i7 chips.

Dollar for dollar, i5 is going to beat the crap out of i7.

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EDIT: I don't want to sound like I am bashing Intel too harshly. It just seems like they are starting to stray from the Intel of the past few years to the Intel of the P4 era.
Intel's real problems during the P4 era were performance and cooling.

I don't see these issues cropping up now, and I certainly don't see them cropping up due to the i5.

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P55 kinda exciting due to how great P45 OC'd but phasing out i7 already is bull and then charging me more for a slightly newer one... looks like my Q9400 will have to run till it dies..
P55 has no relation to the P45, other than name.

OCing capability is no longer closely linked to the chipset, as there is no memory controller on it, and no FSB at all.

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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post
Intel can raise prices all they want, and in this economy they can watch customers start flocking to AMD.

When I buy my next machine, I'll be looking at the best price/performance ratio, and if Intel's prices rise any further they're won't be much comparing needed.

EDIT: post 2,500. Woot.
With all indications being that i5 will have nearly the same clock for clock performance as i7, yet be less expensive, how on earth do you figure that AMD's price/performance ratio is going to improve, relative to Intel's?

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This socket however, I do not like. Whats the point of pricing this higher than sock 775 but lower than 1366? Make it cheap intel and the masses will follow.
Release prices are never cheap. Within 3-6 months after i5 shows up, there will be HT capable i7s for less than 200 dollars and respectable LGA1156 motherboards around the 100 dollar mark. DDR3 will also be even cheaper.
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post #23 of 42
5/28/09 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by Kamikaze127 View Post
I'll stick to my K8 for now. Its still good enough.

Once the price of the PhII 955 drops to about $200, I'll drop it in my board.
There is already two PhII 955 in the F/S Forum for 200$
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post #24 of 42
5/29/09 at 2:46am
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Again though, I7 is about server performance, I7 isn't that much better than Core 2's in most of the desktop stuff.
Really ? What are the desktop stuff according to you ?

Is winrar a desktop stuff for example ?
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post #25 of 42
5/29/09 at 4:38am
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Really ? What are the desktop stuff according to you ?

Is winrar a desktop stuff for example ?
I7 yields benefits to Winrar, day-to-day performance (the IMC can make desktop stuff a bit snappier, and a generally nicer experience), and encoding. Basically Heavily multi-threaded stuff, and latency sensitive stuff (though there isn't too much of this on the desktop), as well as memory intensive items.

People on this forum normally freak about game performance, but these days, I7 performance for gaming isn't enough to justify its extra cost (if going from a highly clocked Intel Core 2 quad series CPU).
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post #26 of 42
5/29/09 at 5:20am
i5 seems to be what the mainstream OEM's are going to use, Intel basically used the i7 as a dick measuring contest over the Phenom series. That gives their customers confidence in their future roadmap.

the i5 wont have QPI/HT, but its still Nehalem and will do the job for over 95 percent of the population who are going to Windows 7/future games. their will probably be a line of i5's with a ton of L2 Cache, and that one of the most significant things for games behind the GPU.

We have to realize people, these game developers still aren't bleeding edge on coding the latest CPU's to their full advantage. CACHE is still king for having a good gaming experience(and a 4870x2 lol).

its not an i7, but some Intel users on a P4/Conroe Core 2's and might look at the i5 as a happy medium.
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post #27 of 42
5/29/09 at 5:50am
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Wow, more of the the bashing for no good reasons.

It is easy. 1 socket for OEM's, and 1 socket for enthusiests. The OEM boards only have to deal with dual channel memory, less power phases, less traces, less layers, lower prices. They can be made cheaper, and don't have to support everything under the sun. (thus avoiding the issue AMD had of some 125 watt CPU's toasting motherboards).

Intel wants to also avoid having to have 1 expensive chipset support all chips.

How many people here are going to buy a new $50-$100 Biostar motherboard, and slap a Q9650 in it?
I would.

Motherboards don't affect performance, I'd rather get a really good CPU and an average motherboard now, rather than a reasonably good CPU and Reasonably good motherboard due to socket differences, this is making it WAY harder to upgrade, with Intel deciding to get rid of the i7 920 and 940 too, you'll either have to go Core i5 (Gimped, but still fast) then upgrade motherboard AND CPU to go i7, as opposed to AMD, where I can get a Sempron to a Phenom II x4 955 BE in this board.
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5/29/09 at 6:10am
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I would.

Motherboards don't affect performance, I'd rather get a really good CPU and an average motherboard now, rather than a reasonably good CPU and Reasonably good motherboard due to socket differences, this is making it WAY harder to upgrade, with Intel deciding to get rid of the i7 920 and 940 too, you'll either have to go Core i5 (Gimped, but still fast) then upgrade motherboard AND CPU to go i7, as opposed to AMD, where I can get a Sempron to a Phenom II x4 955 BE in this board.
Yup. I know a few who bought a combo of C2Q Q6600, a (non-intel, most of them ASUS or Gigabyte) G31/P31 board, 2GBx2 Dual Channel DDR2 800MHz memory and an 8800GT a year or two ago.

It made sense because 4GB RAM would be more than enough for a Q6600, while multi GPU solutions were not yet common.
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post #29 of 42
5/29/09 at 6:28am
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Wow, more of the the bashing for no good reasons.

It is easy. 1 socket for OEM's, and 1 socket for enthusiests. The OEM boards only have to deal with dual channel memory, less power phases, less traces, less layers, lower prices. They can be made cheaper, and don't have to support everything under the sun. (thus avoiding the issue AMD had of some 125 watt CPU's toasting motherboards).

Intel wants to also avoid having to have 1 expensive chipset support all chips.

How many people here are going to buy a new $50-$100 Biostar motherboard, and slap a Q9650 in it?
Yeah exactly what I'm thinking. This "going back to AMD" BS because some CPUs are getting discontinued and because there are two sockets is ridiculous... who gives a damn seriously? It's not like you want to run both an i5 and i7 CPU. i7 is very high end and i5 mid/high end and it will probably pwn what AMD is currently offering.
Some people really need to structure their arguments...
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5/29/09 at 6:32am
Does this mean that it makes no sense to switch to a P45 board now? I was thinking of getting a GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P board. I just got my e8400 for xmas and don't plan on getting rid of it for a while. Should I wait a bit to see if prices drop on them or go for it now?
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